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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:11pm
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SC State/Hampton Block/TC (video)

Play was ultimately ruled a block after the C and L came together. The C had the block call.


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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:33pm
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That's a charge. The defender did a fantastic job.
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He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact. I can go with a block.

Defenders are hurting themselves by embellishing and/or exaggerating the contact.

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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:36pm
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I don't know if what they did qualifies as coming together.
I would've had a charge here and lead was well positioned to make this call.
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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:00pm
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I don't know if what they did qualifies as coming together.
I would've had a charge here and lead was well positioned to make this call.
Trust me, they did. If I'd let it go longer we would've seen them talk for about 10-15 seconds.
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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:49pm
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Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.
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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:17pm
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Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.
So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me she gained LGP and drew a charge.
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So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me she gained LGP and drew a charge.
She???

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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:35pm
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Defense has LGP and is allowed to twist to protect themselves. Not sure what they did wrong here?
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Old Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:51pm
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So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me he gained LGP and drew a charge.
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Defense has LGP and is allowed to twist to protect themselves. Not sure what they did wrong here?
They are allowed to turn in place or away, not towards the opponent. This defender turned into the shooter not to protect themselves but to create more contact.
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Old Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:51am
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They are allowed to turn in place or away, not towards the opponent. This defender turned into the shooter not to protect themselves to be create more contact.
Okay. I didn't see that, so I thought it was perhaps minimal. No worries, just curious.
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Old Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:56am
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That's a charge. The defender did a fantastic job.
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He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact.
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Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.
The last two comments bring me back to what I posted recently in another thread, which was based on a conversation with the NCAAW SRE...

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*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.
We're all going to see things differently at times but to me it doesn't appear the defender is moving forward outside his vertical plane. Sure, his chest puffs out but that might have been a method of absorbing the contact. Regardless, I'm not seeing him move outside his vertical plane - i.e., in front of his feet. Assuming a defender is in LGP to begin with they're allowed to rise or jump vertically and occupy that space. They're not permitted to "belly up" or use their lower body to cause contact outside their vertical plane.
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Old Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:47pm
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He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact. I can go with a block.

Defenders are hurting themselves by embellishing and/or exaggerating the contact.

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The last two comments bring me back to what I posted recently in another thread, which was based on a conversation with the NCAAW SRE...



We're all going to see things differently at times but to me it doesn't appear the defender is moving forward outside his vertical plane. Sure, his chest puffs out but that might have been a method of absorbing the contact. Regardless, I'm not seeing him move outside his vertical plane - i.e., in front of his feet. Assuming a defender is in LGP to begin with they're allowed to rise or jump vertically and occupy that space. They're not permitted to "belly up" or use their lower body to cause contact outside their vertical plane.
You didn't reference my entire quote. Defenders are making unnatural movements to embellish and/or exaggerate contact.

At the 17 second mark of the video the defender has turned his upper body at an angle. If this causes an official to see the play in a different light, that is the defender's fault.
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