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JetMetFan Sat Mar 12, 2016 03:11pm

SC State/Hampton Block/TC (video)
 
Play was ultimately ruled a block after the C and L came together. The C had the block call.


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Nevadaref Sat Mar 12, 2016 03:33pm

That's a charge. The defender did a fantastic job.

Raymond Sat Mar 12, 2016 03:35pm

He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact. I can go with a block.

Defenders are hurting themselves by embellishing and/or exaggerating the contact.

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Blindolbat Sat Mar 12, 2016 03:36pm

I don't know if what they did qualifies as coming together.
I would've had a charge here and lead was well positioned to make this call.

JetMetFan Sat Mar 12, 2016 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blindolbat (Post 983908)
I don't know if what they did qualifies as coming together.
I would've had a charge here and lead was well positioned to make this call.

Trust me, they did. If I'd let it go longer we would've seen them talk for about 10-15 seconds.

Camron Rust Sat Mar 12, 2016 05:49pm

Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.

BryanV21 Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 983933)
Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.

So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me she gained LGP and drew a charge.

JRutledge Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 983984)
So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me she gained LGP and drew a charge.

She??? :D

Peace

Pantherdreams Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:35pm

Defense has LGP and is allowed to twist to protect themselves. Not sure what they did wrong here?

BryanV21 Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 983986)
She??? :D

Peace

Oops. LOL. I think I just watched a video from a girls game and thought it was from this video. :confused:

Camron Rust Sun Mar 13, 2016 01:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 983984)
So much so that you'd say the defender had left her verticality and this no longer had LGP?

Looked to me he gained LGP and drew a charge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 983988)
Defense has LGP and is allowed to twist to protect themselves. Not sure what they did wrong here?

They are allowed to turn in place or away, not towards the opponent. This defender turned into the shooter not to protect themselves but to create more contact.

BryanV21 Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 984006)
They are allowed to turn in place or away, not towards the opponent. This defender turned into the shooter not to protect themselves to be create more contact.

Okay. I didn't see that, so I thought it was perhaps minimal. No worries, just curious.

JetMetFan Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 983904)
That's a charge. The defender did a fantastic job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 983907)
He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 983933)
Torso/shoulder was shifting forward at the time of contact making it a block.

The last two comments bring me back to what I posted recently in another thread, which was based on a conversation with the NCAAW SRE...

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 983177)
*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.

We're all going to see things differently at times but to me it doesn't appear the defender is moving forward outside his vertical plane. Sure, his chest puffs out but that might have been a method of absorbing the contact. Regardless, I'm not seeing him move outside his vertical plane - i.e., in front of his feet. Assuming a defender is in LGP to begin with they're allowed to rise or jump vertically and occupy that space. They're not permitted to "belly up" or use their lower body to cause contact outside their vertical plane.

Raymond Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 983907)
He turned his left shoulder in to guarantee the contact. I can go with a block.

Defenders are hurting themselves by embellishing and/or exaggerating the contact.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 984027)
The last two comments bring me back to what I posted recently in another thread, which was based on a conversation with the NCAAW SRE...



We're all going to see things differently at times but to me it doesn't appear the defender is moving forward outside his vertical plane. Sure, his chest puffs out but that might have been a method of absorbing the contact. Regardless, I'm not seeing him move outside his vertical plane - i.e., in front of his feet. Assuming a defender is in LGP to begin with they're allowed to rise or jump vertically and occupy that space. They're not permitted to "belly up" or use their lower body to cause contact outside their vertical plane.

You didn't reference my entire quote. Defenders are making unnatural movements to embellish and/or exaggerate contact.

At the 17 second mark of the video the defender has turned his upper body at an angle. If this causes an official to see the play in a different light, that is the defender's fault.

AremRed Sun Mar 13, 2016 04:49pm

Block.


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