Ff1 uva/gt

letemplay · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 12:02pm

He snaps his head back on his own to avoid getting hit by the elbow(flop) but I think he gets hip checked and arm shoved pretty well by 0, a bigger player. So no F1 maybe, but def imo a common foul, but maybe that's what Jay's rant is more about I guess is what you guys are saying? I sure don't agree with him that a T could be called on the "flopper"

letemplay · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 12:07pm

Sorry, it was an "egregious" failure, rather than a gigantic one

Nevadaref · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:20pm

I can understand getting this incorrect during live play, but not after having the opportunity to review the action on the monitor.

BlueDevilRef · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay

I sure don't agree with him that a T could be called on the "flopper"

By rule, in NFHS, it could happen. Not sure if it is NCAA as well. I've never called it but I believe a saw some posts here in the past that others have.

rockyroad · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 02:26pm

Do we know what camera angles they had to look at? If they did not see the baseline camera angle, then it absolutely does look like the elbow caught the UVA player under the chin. That baseline camera angle is the only one that shows that it was a fantastic acting job.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Do we know what camera angles they had to look at? If they did not see the baseline camera angle, then it absolutely does look like the elbow caught the UVA player under the chin. That baseline camera angle is the only one that shows that it was a fantastic acting job.

This is not totally reliable, but the broadcaster said they saw all the same replays that they showed on TV. Now whether they had actually seen them that is another story. But if that is the case, it was a bad miss on replay.

Peace

rockyroad · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:30pm

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This is not totally reliable, but the broadcaster said they saw all the same replays that they showed on TV. Now whether they had actually seen them that is another story. But if that is the case, it was a bad miss on replay.

Peace

Yeah, I hear that from the talking heads all the time...but judging by the reactions of the man and lady right behind the table, I don't think they saw that baseline camera shot. Not much to go by, but watch the lady and her reaction...I don't think the crew saw all the same angles.

Maineac · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 08:42pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yeah, I hear that from the talking heads all the time...but judging by the reactions of the man and lady right behind the table, I don't think they saw that baseline camera shot. Not much to go by, but watch the lady and her reaction...I don't think the crew saw all the same angles.

Jay Bilas just confirmed during the ND-NC game that the game officials did not get a look at the same video replays the broadcasters did.

Raymond · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

By rule, in NFHS, it could happen. Not sure if it is NCAA as well. I've never called it but I believe a saw some posts here in the past that others have.

Can only call it if is seen during a monitor review.

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Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

By rule, in NFHS, it could happen. Not sure if it is NCAA as well. I've never called it but I believe a saw some posts here in the past that others have.

I have once, but in an elementary level YMCA game.

After a warning, and the flop was "egregious".

BlueDevilRef · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:05pm

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I have once, but in an elementary level YMCA game.

After a warning, and the flop was "egregious".

Meanie. Picking on elem school kids.

I knew it was someone here but couldn't recall who and that it was just like you described above

walt · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:36am

Talked with the "C" who called it and is a very good friend of mine. They did not see the baseline angle and said from the angles they had to review at the monitor, it was a no brainer that he got hit in the chin with the elbow. Having seen the baseline angle afterward, still had a foul but would not have been FF1. Just letting you know.

Nevadaref · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by walt

Talked with the "C" who called it and is a very good friend of mine. They did not see the baseline angle and said from the angles they had to review at the monitor, it was a no brainer that he got hit in the chin with the elbow. Having seen the baseline angle afterward, still had a foul but would not have been FF1. Just letting you know.

Excellent info and a problem with the replay system that the NCAA/conference needs to fix.
I understand how plays can look very different from various angles. I believe that one of the issues here was that the calling official had a deceptive angle and came out of his primary for what he believed to be a non-basketball play that the crew had to get. Unfortunately, the studies which show that we are wrong about 70% of the time when we call in our secondary areas proved true here and the angle of view got your friend into trouble.

Camron Rust · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:50pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Excellent info and a problem with the replay system that the NCAA/conference needs to fix.
I understand how plays can look very different from various angles. I believe that one of the issues here was that the calling official had a deceptive angle and came out of his primary for what he believed to be a non-basketball play that the crew had to get. Unfortunately, the studies which show that we are wrong about 70% of the time when we call in our secondary areas proved true here and the angle of view got your friend into trouble.

I really doubt that studies show that the calls in a secondary are wrong 70% of the time. I suspect that is a made-up number more than an actual result of a study. Sure, they may be less accurate than in the primary, but I really doubt it drops that much on the kinds of plays people go get.

This call, specifically, wasn't wrong. The calling official didn't call an FF1 live. he called a personal foul...and it was. They went to video, which should be even better than a primary call, and then got it wrong because they didn't have the right view.

BigT · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by walt

Talked with the "C" who called it and is a very good friend of mine. They did not see the baseline angle and said from the angles they had to review at the monitor, it was a no brainer that he got hit in the chin with the elbow. Having seen the baseline angle afterward, still had a foul but would not have been FF1. Just letting you know.

Thanks walt. That is really awesome insight. Its amazing they can use a tool and then are not given all the angles to get the call right...