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[Raymond]

The push is the illegal screen.

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The push is the illegal screen.

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If there was no dribbler it would still be a pushing foul on the offensive player... that's the point.

Now, if you say the push happened while he was screening, hence an illegal screen foul... fine, I can see that. But whether it was a screen or not I've got a push.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If there was no dribbler it would still be a pushing foul on the offensive player... that's the point.

Now, if you say the push happened while he was screening, hence an illegal screen foul... fine, I can see that. But whether it was a screen or not I've got a push.

I have no idea what your point is. It's a push, in this case an illegal screen also. Who said it wasn't a push?

[Altor]

2. I was going to question B2 grasping the basket. But after reading NCAAM 10-4-1-e, this may actually be allowed since it wasn't excessive nor emphatic?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have no idea what your point is. It's a push, in this case an illegal screen also. Who said it wasn't a push?

The point is you can possibly call a push BEFORE the screen even happens.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The point is you can possibly call a push BEFORE the screen even happens.

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The push *is* the screen. That's all screening activity.

[BryanV21]

Try this...

At the table..
1. Say "white 32" while using one hand to signal a three then a two.
2. "team control foul" while touching the back of my head (local thing they want us to do to make it clear no free throws)
3. "push" while giving the push signal.

Or...

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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You can say illegal screen, but that is not what the signal is called. I also will say "illegal screen" but I rarely say the signal, I describe the action like saying, "Push in the back on the rebound" while giving a "push" signal.

Peace

[Rich]

And in some locations, the team control signal is the only one to be given on a team control foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

And in some locations, the team control signal is the only one to be given on a team control foul.

In my state they want us to give the type of foul after the TC signal.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In my state they want us to give the type of foul after the TC signal.

Same here, for example, team control punch followed by hands on hips block for an illegal screen.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same here, for example, team control punch followed by hands on hips block for an illegal screen.

In the State Finals the head official tells the officials that no one does this right and if they do not do it right in the games (at the State Finals), they owe him a beer. Well I bought 3.

I never do it right and usually forget the foul signal but always go with the TC signal.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Try this...

At the table..
1. Say "white 32" while using one hand to signal a three then a two.
2. "team control foul" while touching the back of my head (local thing they want us to do to make it clear no free throws)
3. "push" while giving the push signal.

Or...

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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My state HS authority and every college observer or supervisor I've met want the proper signal for the act that happened.

You can call this play an illegal screen, a push, or whatever, but the SIGNAL will be a PUSH.

But if your local association is doing its own thing, don't get mad at us because we reference what the rule book and manual say.

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My state HS authority and every college observer or supervisor I've met want the proper signal for the act that happened.

You can call this play an illegal screen, a push, or whatever, but the SIGNAL will be a PUSH.

But if your local association is doing its own thing, don't get mad at us because we reference what the rule book and manual say.

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Like I said, I give the block signal and I haven't been corrected. And I can't say where I got that from. My ass? Idk

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[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Like I said, I give the block signal and I haven't been corrected. And I can't say where I got that from. My ass? Idk

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With the NCAA-M rules, if you use anything else other than the "team control" mechanic, you are open to interpretation if the offended team could shoot bonus FTs. A "push" can occur during a rebound (when there is no team control), thus bonus FTs can be shot. A foul by the offensive team can either be in team control or not team control. There is no "illegal screen" mechanic in the NCAA-M manual.