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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:44am
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Last Second Shot Ruling

Unlikely play, but I have been asked about this twice in the last year. What is the ruling on the following High School play: At the end of the quarter a player throws the ball the length of the court for a last second try. Before the horn sounds: a) The ball bounces outside the 3 point line and then goes through the basket? b) The ball bounces inside the 3-point line and then goes through the basket?

If the horn sounds before the ball bounces, it is 'end of quarter', no basket. But what about in this situation?
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:48am
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Unlikely play, but I have been asked about this twice in the last year. What is the ruling on the following High School play: At the end of the quarter a player throws the ball the length of the court for a last second try. Before the horn sounds: a) The ball bounces outside the 3 point line and then goes through the basket? b) The ball bounces inside the 3-point line and then goes through the basket?

If the horn sounds before the ball bounces, it is 'end of quarter', no basket. But what about in this situation?
If the ball goes in after the bounce and before the horn sounds it's 2 points. If the horn sounds AT ANY POINT and the ball bounces (or after the ball bounces) and the ball then goes through it's 0 points.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:54am
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Is either a try or tap? If no, no points.

(By definition, they are not)
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:56am
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If the ball goes in after the bounce and before the horn sounds it's 2 points. If the horn sounds AT ANY POINT and the ball bounces (or after the ball bounces) and the ball then goes through it's 0 points.
Thanks for the quick reply deecee. To summarize: Regardless of where the ball bounces on the court, it is counted as 2 points only? If the horn sounds at any time before the ball enters the hoop, it is not a goal?

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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:01am
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:17am
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thanks for the quick reply deecee. To summarize: Regardless of where the ball bounces on the court, it is counted as 2 points only? If the horn sounds at any time before the ball passes through the hoop, it is not a goal?

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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:32am
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Thanks for the quick reply deecee. To summarize: Regardless of where the ball bounces on the court, it is counted as 2 points only? If the horn sounds at any time before the ball enters the hoop, it is not a goal?

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Shot released: Horn sounds, Balls hits the floor; shot over; no basket!
Shot released: Ball hits the floor (becomes airborne again), horn sounds, ball goes in; count it!
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:34am
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Shot released: Horn sounds, Balls hits the floor; shot over; no basket!
Shot released: Ball hits the floor (becomes airborne again), horn sounds, ball goes in; count it!

Some might say that 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

I'm not in that group.

Your second statement is clearly not correct. There's a specific case play on it, I think.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:37am
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Some might say that 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

I'm not in that group.

Your second statement is clearly not correct. There's a specific case play on it, I think.
So if its bounced, it has to enter the basket before the horn sounds?
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:39am
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So if its bounced, it has to enter the basket before the horn sounds?
When does a try end? When does a period end when a try is in flight? When does a period end when a try isn't in flight?
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:40am
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Some might say that 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

I'm not in that group.

Your second statement is clearly not correct. There's a specific case play on it, I think.
"2 out of 3 aint bad" --Meatloaf

1 out of two…not good…bad here…and the exact play is in the case book as you said.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:42am
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5.1.1 SITUATION B:

A pass, a tap or a try for field goal by A1 is in flight when the horn sounds indicating the expiration of time in the third quarter. The ball subsequently comes down several feet in front of the basket, strikes the floor without touching any player and bounces into the basket.

RULING: When deemed a pass and not a try, the ball becomes dead immediately when the horn sounds. However, a try or tap by A1 towards A's basket does not become dead until the try or tap ends, which it does when it touches the floor. Therefore, no points are scored. (4-41-2, 4-41-4, 4-41-5)
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:17am
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5.1.1 SITUATION B:

A pass, a tap or a try for field goal by A1 is in flight when the horn sounds indicating the expiration of time in the third quarter. The ball subsequently comes down several feet in front of the basket, strikes the floor without touching any player and bounces into the basket.


RULING: When deemed a pass and not a try, the ball becomes dead immediately when the horn sounds. However, a try or tap by A1 towards A's basket does not become dead until the try or tap ends, which it does when it touches the floor. Therefore, no points are scored. (4-41-2, 4-41-4, 4-41-5)
By this "However" ruling: the ball needs to be in the basket before the horn sounds.
Got it!
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:17pm
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This makes perfect sense: The try ends when the ball hits the floor, therefore, as soon as the horn sounds the ball is dead. After hitting the floor, the ball must pass through the basket to be counted as a 2 point score.

Thanks all!
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"2 out of 3 aint bad" --Meatloaf
"2 out of 3 is a D." -- my math teacher
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