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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:22pm
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Ohio State v Iowa Couple play requests

Double foul with about 1 minute left in the 2nd half. I thought it should have been double T's.

Final 6 seconds Ohio player runs over screen no call.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:29pm
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Good chance that the Iowa player got hit in the head on the drive to the basket as well.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:53pm
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Iowa @ Ohio State (Video)

Here is the play in total.



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Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

And on the final shot...he may have touched the hair, but that was a great blocked shot. No call from me on that.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:21pm
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:07pm
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Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.
Where do you get that from?

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Rut how about the double foul at about 1 minute left in the second half during a dead ball that they didn't call double T's?
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Where do you get that from?

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Rut how about the double foul at about 1 minute left in the second half during a dead ball that they didn't call double T's?
The only foul would be on the Ohio player. I have no foul on a player that set the screen as he was there and gave time and distance IMO.

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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:35pm
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The only foul would be on the Ohio player. I have no foul on a player that set the screen as he was there and gave time and distance IMO.

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Yes I agree. I was asking Camron where he got his ruling from.

What I'm asking you is that at about 1 minute remaining in the second half there was a made basket and a tustle after the fact that was called a double foul versus double T's.

That's the video I was asking for.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:36pm
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Where do you get that from?
Rule 4-40-7.
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A player who is screened within his/her visual field is expected to avoid contact by going around the screener. In cases of screens outside the visual field, the opponent may make inadvertent contact with the screener and if the opponent is running rapidly, the contact may be severe. Such a case is to be ruled as incidental contact provided the opponent stops or attempts to stop on contact and moves around the screen, and provided the screener is not displaced if he/she has the ball.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:14am
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Here is the play....(Video)

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What I'm asking you is that at about 1 minute remaining in the second half there was a made basket and a tustle after the fact that was called a double foul versus double T's.

That's the video I was asking for.


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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:59am
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For the double foul, the contact starts before the ball enters the basket. The fling by the Iowa player comes after.
If a double foul is called (as it was in the game), it should be personal. Otherwise, a case can be made for a single DBCTF against Iowa.
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Rule 4-40-7.
Camron this doesn't exist in the ncaam rulebook and I can't find anything similar.

But it's good to know for HS, thanks.
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Camron this doesn't exist in the ncaam rulebook and I can't find anything similar.

But it's good to know for HS, thanks.
It is in the NCAA-M book as well, you need to look harder. Also, this has been covered in one of Adam's videos. Look through the archive, you will find the play. Camron has it exactly right.
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Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

And on the final shot...he may have touched the hair, but that was a great blocked shot. No call from me on that.
From the 2015-16 NCAAM Rulebook pg. 54
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Rule 4, Section 34 Art. 2. In establishing and maintaining legal screening tactics, the screener shall:
a. Stay within his vertical plane with a stance no wider than shoulder
width apart
and shall not lean into the path of an opponent or extend
hips into that path, even though the feet are stationary.
It's clear that the Iowa player stood wider than his shoulder width apart but such a tough play to call being in transition with all the factors the T has to officiate; I can understand the no-call.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:29pm
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From the 2015-16 NCAAM Rulebook pg. 54


It's clear that the Iowa player stood wider than his shoulder width apart but such a tough play to call being in transition with all the factors the T has to officiate; I can understand the no-call.
I don't care how wide the legs are if the contact is square in the torso -- I only care about the width of the legs when the screened player hits or goes over the outstretched leg.
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