Butler @ Georgetown Plays (Video)

[jeremy341a]

I don't think he has head and shoulders around the defender.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I don't think he has head and shoulders around the defender.

I think this picture is also misleading. If you just look at this frame alone, then absolutely it looks like a charge. But if you watch the video of the path of the offensive player, he's not really going to the hoop. In fact he both takes off and lands outside the lane, whereas the defender is in the lane the entire time.

[jeremy341a]

Doesn't contact to center chest show that he didn't get head and shoulders past or do you feel he didn't have LGP?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Doesn't contact to center chest show that he didn't get head and shoulders past or do you feel he didn't have LGP?

Contact with the center of the chest should not be a determining factor in calling either a block or a charge on any play. I feel the defender had LGP, and when the offensive player moved to his right, and didn't go through the defender, the defender slid into his path late. It's a close call no doubt, but I still go block

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Contact with the center of the chest should not be a determining factor in calling either a block or a charge on any play. I feel the defender had LGP, and when the offensive player moved to his right, and didn't go through the defender, the defender slid into his path late. It's a close call no doubt, but I still go block

Shouldn't it be a determining factor if you feel the defender has LGP? If the defender has LGP and gets hit in the chest how can the foul be on him? The offense didn't get head and shoulders past. Now if you want to say he didn't have LGP than I understand the point of center of chest not being the determining factor. However I feel he got back in the path of the offensive player before he leaves the floor. It is close and I can understand how you can see it the other way as well.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Shouldn't it be a determining factor if you feel the defender has LGP? If the defender has LGP and gets hit in the chest how can the foul be on him? The offense didn't get head and shoulders past. Now if you want to say he didn't have LGP than I understand the point of center of chest not being the determining factor. However I feel he got back in the path of the offensive player before he leaves the floor. It is close and I can understand how you can see it the other way as well.

You're right, and I agree with you how you worded this, I actually meant that center of the chest is irrelevant, because if you have LGP, you don't have to take it square in the chest, contact can be anywhere.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by frezer11

You're right, and I agree with you how you worded this, I actually meant that center of the chest is irrelevant, because if you have LGP, you don't have to take it square in the chest, contact can be anywhere.

Yes I agree with this. I was just meaning in this particular play it appeared in the center.