Time to Eliminate the Seat Belt Rule?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

In general I just don't like it. I want to treat coaches like adults, even when they don't always act like adults, because they ARE adults. Sitting them down is like putting a kid in "time-out."

The HS rule isn't treating them like kids. It provides a consequence for an action and adults accept the consequences of their actions. If they don't want to sit, they don't earn the T. That is treating them like adults.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

The HS rule isn't treating them like kids. It provides a consequence for an action and adults accept the consequences of their actions. If they don't want to sit, they don't earn the T. That is treating them like adults.

No matter how good a coach is at controlling his personnel, sometimes there's no stopping the AC spazz out of telling you to go bite dust you suck at officiating.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Dad

No matter how good a coach is at controlling his personnel, sometimes there's no stopping the AC spazz out of telling you to go bite dust you suck at officiating.

Again, there are consequences to selecting such an AC. If you don't want to sit, don't hire ACs who cannot control themselves in an adult manner.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Again, there are consequences to selecting such an AC. If you don't want to sit, don't hire ACs who cannot control themselves in an adult manner.

In the real world, the vast majority of people just spazz out sometimes. The consequence is 2 FTs and the ball to the other team. I see no benefit to the game for telling the coach he has to sit. I do it, and I don't mind doing it, but I think it's rather pointless.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Dad

In the real world, the vast majority of people just spazz out sometimes. The consequence is 2 FTs and the ball to the other team. I see no benefit to the game for telling the coach he has to sit. I do it, and I don't mind doing it, but I think it's rather pointless.

Agree. Glad NY State (or at least in my area) there is no seatbelt rule. The coach has already been punished. Sitting down doesn't change anything, especially future behavior.

[LRZ]

I don't know if it is the technical itself or the sitting down, but around here, things generally get much calmer and quieter after a [edited: first] T. The more tools I have for game management, the better.

I don't umpire school baseball, but didn't NFHS implement some kind of similar rule, restricting a warned coach to the dugout?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I don't know if it is the technical itself or the sitting down, but around here, things generally get much calmer and quieter after a T. The more tools I have for game management, the better.

I don't umpire school baseball, but didn't NFHS implement some kind of similar rule, restricting a warned coach to the dugout?

I thought your only option in baseball was to eject.

[Adam]

The question for me is not whether behavior after the T is different with or without the seatbelt. At this point, the penalty for the next T is the same either way.

The question is whether the seatbelt provides sufficient incentive for proper behavior prior the first T. In other words, is there a noticeable benefit to the way coaches behave before getting their first T in a game. The only measurable way to determine would be to count first Ts, not second Ts.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Dad

In the real world, the vast majority of people just spazz out sometimes.

They do? The vast majority of people? What world are you living in where the vast majority of people behave that way? I like the seatbelt rule - as long as the coaching box is considered a privilege, taking it away is a fair consequence of behaving like a jackass. I would be in favor of limiting the seatbelt to unsporting behavior T's only and not things like pregame dunking and uniform issues.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by smitty

they do? The vast majority of people? What world are you living in where the vast majority of people behave that way? I like the seatbelt rule - as long as the coaching box is considered a privilege, taking it away is a fair consequence of behaving like a jackass. I would be in favor of limiting the seatbelt to unsporting behavior t's only and not things like pregame dunking and uniform issues.

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

In the real world, the vast majority of people just spazz out sometimes. The consequence is 2 FTs and the ball to the other team. I see no benefit to the game for telling the coach he has to sit. I do it, and I don't mind doing it, but I think it's rather pointless.

In the real world, people are expected to behave professionally. If I spazz out in a meeting and embarrass my boss, he's going to have more to worry about than two free throws and a seat belt.

I still don't understand why we can't expect adults to behave like adults, especially when they're teaching our children how to behave like adults.

[SNIPERBBB]

I wouldnt want to see it goes, A because things calm back down and B)its mildly comical to watch the coach try to find a chair to sit on because they use half the school on the roster.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

In the real world, people are expected to behave professionally. If I spazz out in a meeting and embarrass my boss, he's going to have more to worry about than two free throws and a seat belt.

I still don't understand why we can't expect adults to behave like adults, especially when they're teaching our children how to behave like adults.

We can. We penalize with a technical foul when they don't.

Sitting them down does nothing for me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

We can. We penalize with a technical foul when they don't.

Sitting them down does nothing for me.

Yeah, I was thinking beyond the topic at the moment, to people excusing poor behavior because it's an intense game and this is their job or something.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

In the real world, people are expected to behave professionally. If I spazz out in a meeting and embarrass my boss, he's going to have more to worry about than two free throws and a seat belt.

I still don't understand why we can't expect adults to behave like adults, especially when they're teaching our children how to behave like adults.

Who's saying we can't expect it? I'm not sure how my post can be taken as me being okay with coaches acting like an ass. Even the best coaches on earth freak out when an official "messes up a call" and then get a technical. Often, said coaches are correct, but I'm by no means excusing their behavior. It's a T. Want to keep going? Another T. Ts can stop bad behavior. Removing the bad behavior out of the gym can stop bad behavior. But sitting a coach?

All I'm saying is that I don't think sitting a coach does any good, most of the time. I'm fine with the rule staying or being changed, but if someone asks me does sitting coaches result in better behavior I'm going to tell them probably not.