Time to Eliminate the Seat Belt Rule?

[deecee]

For the most part I don't care if a coach is a step or two on the court when coaching as long as they are WAY out of the play. If it comes to a point where it may become problematic I do remind a coach to be aware of his position on/by his bench. If I ever do run into a coach and they are on the court I'm Ting them up without even thinking.

[BryanV21]

As long as they are not in the way of the game at all, and they aren't out on the court to yell at me, I'm pretty lackadaisical when it comes to them staying in the coach's box.

Part of my speech to coaches, if I'm the R, before the game goes like this...

"Mind the coaching box. I've never run into a coach, and I don't want to make history tonight." Or, "mind the coaching box. You're a lot bigger than me and if I run into you I'm going to get hurt."

I get a little laugh out of that, and I feel it's said in a way that they remember it. Not that I haven't had to tell a coach to get back, anyway.

As for the seat belt rule, I like it. It's a penalty for them being stupid. Without it the first technical is no more than a slap on the wrist. Sort of like a yellow card in soccer. It's like... "whatever, I got away with something."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

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As for the seat belt rule, I like it. It's a penalty for them being stupid. Without it the first technical is no more than a slap on the wrist. Sort of like a yellow card in soccer. It's like... "whatever, I got away with something."

They didn't get away with anything. They get assessed a technical foul, a team foul, and the other tean gets 2 free throws.

Works well in colkege ball.

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They didn't get away with anything. They get assessed a technical foul, a team foul, and the other tean gets 2 free throws.

Works well in colkege ball.

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Yes, they don't completely get away with it.

While I'm sure there are plenty of idiotic coaches in college, I can't help but feel that percentage is much higher at the high school level and lower.

To take things further... I like that coaches, especially in some cases, have to sit and for the most part stay out of the way. If they were able to stand then there's a much better chance for another altercation that would lead to an ejection... and those always go over so well.

[BigCat]

It's February. If I tell the coach I need him to stay in the box and he mouths like this fellow did he's earned the T. It's not hard for a coach to make it through a game without a T. If they get one let them sit. Frankly, it might save them from getting tossed....

[DRJ1960]

The "T"s I've had this year really seemed to quiet things down... I like the rule.

[TimTaylor]

I agree we should keep the rule. Sitting an obnoxious coach keeps him further away from the officials and makes it less likely that he'll earn the 2nd T.

Unless the team bench is so close to the court that there isn't enough room, I see no legitimate reason for the coach to step onto the court. Enforcing the coaching box rules is a POE for us this year, but we don't hammer them unnecessarily. We try to gently remind them, even to the point of walking them back to the box. That said, it is a "coaching" box, not a "yelling at the referees" box, and if they abuse the privilege they risk losing it.

We had similar situation as that described in the OP in a game several weeks ago. Coach was sniping rudely at us from the opening tip, also occasionally wandering out of the box several steps. Less than 4 min into Q1 my partner called a foul - the coach was several steps out of the box and partially onto the court. I transitioned from T to L to administer the free throws, and as I passed him I quietly said "Coach, please watch the box". He responded loudly with a snide and disrepectful comment that earned him his first T and the seat belt. IMHO and that of my partner, it made the game better.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

For the most part I don't care if a coach is a step or two on the court when coaching as long as they are WAY out of the play. If it comes to a point where it may become problematic I do remind a coach to be aware of his position on/by his bench. If I ever do run into a coach and they are on the court I'm Ting them up without even thinking.

This is the exact opposite of what the NCAA has been instructing for the past few years. I'm surprised by your position since you seem to adhere so closely to the philosophies taught at college camps.

[JRutledge]

I am indifferent about this. I have no issues either way but think that part of the reason the penalty is there is to deter coaches from being stupid and over the top.

I would be more of an advocate to allow the coaching box to be bigger.

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I'm of the opinion if we would properly apply the unsporing conduct rule to coaches, this would all take care of itself. I recently had a game involving a school that has a coach that can be a problem at times. During pre game, one of my partners said, "If he starts getting after us tonight, the first thing I'm going to do is put him back in the box." I said, "And then you're going to let him get after us from there?"

I'm pretty diplomatic when it comes to dealing with coaches, but I also assess my share of T's when it comes to unsporting behavior. Just cause they're in the coaching box doesn't give them a pass to act in an unsporting manner. The last T I gave a coach, he was in stomping down the sideline reading me the riot act for something I hadn't even done. And he was in the box while doing so.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is the exact opposite of what the NCAA has been instructing for the past few years. I'm surprised by your position since you seem to adhere so closely to the philosophies taught at college camps.

I agree with this sentiment too. In my experience the only time this is an issue really is in old HS gyms where there is no room on the sidelines for the coaches. Otherwise a majority of times a coach is on the court HS or college is either after calling a TO or during a dead ball to argue question a call. In those cases unless a coach has come to far or said a magic word my inclination is to first walk him back to his bench. If he doesn't comply it's a T. Second time it happens it's a T. Runs to far on the court a T. It's really handled differently per situation.

I don't advocate automatically Ting a coach simply because he approaches an official to complain/question about a call. But one cannot be afraid to T either way.

And at the camps this is what is taught. The goal is to not T right away but to first try and work with the coach if possible. But like I said if a coach comes running to half court while you are reporting to complain that's T territory.