NFHS Basketball Questionnaire

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I'm surprised no one has brought up the "unintentionally slapping the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block the shot is BI" idea.

I think that would be a horrible idea. For one HS kids are often trying to block shots and even the college rule it is a judgment call. Officials would still not call it unless you say any touch of the backboard is a violation.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I hate it. The NFHS realizes no one is calling Ts for backboard slaps anymore and that most are borderline situations where there's at least some reasonable doubt about the player's intentions. Yet the offended coach always stands up and yells, "that's goaltending!" proving time and time again that most coaches know nothing about the rules.

Again, not very many reasons to even call a T. It is rare and it is often an attempt to make a block missed. Most kids are not getting up there in the first place. A none issue.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Meanwhile the NCAA wrote a very nice rule change a couple years back that adds such a BI clause when the ball is on/in the basket or in the cylinder. That makes sense, especially in college where many backboards are portable and therefore less rigid.

Still waiting for even a situation to call this and it has not happen. And I rarely see this ever happen on TV. Again, a none issue.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Fouls should be a deterrent, not a strategy at the high school level. That might work for older and smarter players, but resetting after the quarter is silly IMO. And it does not seem to make the game faster at the women's side at least when we work behind them in our men's games most of the time. It seems like these games take longer than they used to.

Peace

[bas2456]

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

Iowa did this for girl's basketball at one time. Not sure if that is still the case. I think that is why it was probably considered.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Iowa did this for girl's basketball at one time. Not sure if that is still the case. I think that is why it was probably considered.

Peace

Do you know their reasoning?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Do you know their reasoning?

I was told safety years ago when I heard this was a rule. I am not sure if that was the actual reason, but it was what people believed at the time.

Keep in mind Iowa had a long standing 6 on 6 basketball with some funky rules to that alone. So it does not surprise me this was a different rules set. Also Iowa still has different associations, one for boys and the other for girls. It is a weird state from how they do things IMO.

I was licensed in Iowa for 2 years in the sport of baseball. They played during the summer and it was a lot of fun. But the requirements were different than Illinois.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was told safety years ago when I heard this was a rule. I am not sure if that was the actual reason, but it was what people believed at the time.

Peace

Perhaps safety for us as much as safety for the players. Seems like once or twice a season there's a video of an official getting clocked by an elbow during the jump ball.

But seriously, if they're worried about kids getting hurt during the jump ball, might as well cancel the whole game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Iowa did this for girl's basketball at one time. Not sure if that is still the case. I think that is why it was probably considered.

Peace

Originally Posted by bas2456

Do you know their reasoning?

Rut mentions it, but it was a hold-over rule from their half court 6-on-6 days. For about fifteen years, they had both 5 player and 6 player schools (smaller schools mainly played 6), and after the 92-93 season they eliminated the 6 player option.

for a while, they still held on to some of the big rule differences, though.

Girls allowed the coaching box, boys did not.
Girls used a coin toss to start the game, boys did not.
On an AP throw-in, the arrow was switched as soon as the thrower had it at her disposal, boys used the NFHS rule.

I think they gave up their differences around 10 years ago, shortly after I moved from Iowa to Colorado. As Rut mentions, they still have different associations, though.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

At least, at long last, there'd finally be a reason to ask who the speaking captain is.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by scrounge

At least, at long last, there'd finally be a reason to ask who the speaking captain is.

This post, For The Win!!!

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

I would go with visiting team gets the ball to start the game, if it was to be eliminated. In tournaments, the higher seed, meaning the #1 seed, would get the ball first.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.



I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

If they did go to this, I would not have to remember which way to run once a team gains possession

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

I'd expect a coin toss if they make the change.

I'm ambivalent on the issue, but I marked "no" on the survey.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

I still hate the AP, but can't imagine it going away. And, while it's not particularly important in the grand scheme, I like the fact that the game starts with each team having a chance to get the ball on the jump, and I'd hate to see it go away.

BUT, with the implementation of the AP, it seems to me that the execution of the jump gets worse and worse -- the players don't really practice it because it isn't that important (though in the 8th grade team I helped coach, we did run a play off the opening jump and probably got opening layups in half the games we played because we took the jump seriously) and the referees (sorry guys) often don't seem to manage it well (last night I watched a JV game start with the players not realizing the ball was about to go up -- one jumper jumped late and the other never did, with 8 startled players around them [and these were pretty good JV teams]).

At this point, the only reason I can see to keep the jump is tradition -- so I agree it is a matter of time until it goes away, but I think it will still be a while because of the tradition.