NFHS Basketball Questionnaire

[Nevadaref]

I'm in favor of five team fouls per quarter being the threshold and resetting the count with each new quarter.
Of course, the NFHS will have to specify that there is no reset of the foul count for extra periods!

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm in favor of five team fouls per quarter being the threshold and resetting the count with each new quarter.

I was neutral on that issue. The pros and cons (many of which have been articulated here) seem quite balanced.

That said, if the rule is changed, I will watch with amusement as states like MN, WI, RI, etc., try to figure out what they're going to do with the halves they currently play in. You can either suck it up and go back to quarters, or basically keep the current 1-and-1 rule as a supplemental state rule. Or perhaps compromise and eliminate 1-and-1 at 7, but go straight to two free throws at 10 for the half.

[Nevadaref]

With NCAAW shifting to quarters, the current trend looks to be playing quarters at all levels of competition.
HS = 8 minutes, college = 10 minutes, NBA = 12 minutes, FIBA = 10 minutes

[crosscountry55]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the "unintentionally slapping the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block the shot is BI" idea.

I hate it. The NFHS realizes no one is calling Ts for backboard slaps anymore and that most are borderline situations where there's at least some reasonable doubt about the player's intentions. Yet the offended coach always stands up and yells, "that's goaltending!" proving time and time again that most coaches know nothing about the rules.

Meanwhile the NCAA wrote a very nice rule change a couple years back that adds such a BI clause when the ball is on/in the basket or in the cylinder. That makes sense, especially in college where many backboards are portable and therefore less rigid.

The way the NFHS idea was written in the survey, it seems like we want to start calling BI when the backboard gets slapped on a shot regardless of the ball's location at the time. I don't like that idea; you would end up deterring a lot of good shot block attempts, and coaches would still be PO'd, only this time when on defense vice offense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I'm surprised no one has brought up the "unintentionally slapping the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block the shot is BI" idea.

I think that would be a horrible idea. For one HS kids are often trying to block shots and even the college rule it is a judgment call. Officials would still not call it unless you say any touch of the backboard is a violation.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I hate it. The NFHS realizes no one is calling Ts for backboard slaps anymore and that most are borderline situations where there's at least some reasonable doubt about the player's intentions. Yet the offended coach always stands up and yells, "that's goaltending!" proving time and time again that most coaches know nothing about the rules.

Again, not very many reasons to even call a T. It is rare and it is often an attempt to make a block missed. Most kids are not getting up there in the first place. A none issue.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Meanwhile the NCAA wrote a very nice rule change a couple years back that adds such a BI clause when the ball is on/in the basket or in the cylinder. That makes sense, especially in college where many backboards are portable and therefore less rigid.

Still waiting for even a situation to call this and it has not happen. And I rarely see this ever happen on TV. Again, a none issue.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Fouls should be a deterrent, not a strategy at the high school level. That might work for older and smarter players, but resetting after the quarter is silly IMO. And it does not seem to make the game faster at the women's side at least when we work behind them in our men's games most of the time. It seems like these games take longer than they used to.

Peace

[bas2456]

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

Iowa did this for girl's basketball at one time. Not sure if that is still the case. I think that is why it was probably considered.

Peace

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

At least, at long last, there'd finally be a reason to ask who the speaking captain is.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

I would go with visiting team gets the ball to start the game, if it was to be eliminated. In tournaments, the higher seed, meaning the #1 seed, would get the ball first.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'm even more surprised nobody's brought up the question about eliminating the jump ball at the start of the game. They can't really be considering this, can they?

Are we going to have to include a coin toss now in our captains meetings?!?

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.



I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

If they did go to this, I would not have to remember which way to run once a team gains possession

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

I'd expect a coin toss if they make the change.

I'm ambivalent on the issue, but I marked "no" on the survey.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've been expecting this for years. The jump ball is an anachronistic play which no longer really has anything to do with the game. It's days were numbered once the AP arrow was introduced.

I expect the visiting team will get the first possession and the home team will get the arrow.

I still hate the AP, but can't imagine it going away. And, while it's not particularly important in the grand scheme, I like the fact that the game starts with each team having a chance to get the ball on the jump, and I'd hate to see it go away.

BUT, with the implementation of the AP, it seems to me that the execution of the jump gets worse and worse -- the players don't really practice it because it isn't that important (though in the 8th grade team I helped coach, we did run a play off the opening jump and probably got opening layups in half the games we played because we took the jump seriously) and the referees (sorry guys) often don't seem to manage it well (last night I watched a JV game start with the players not realizing the ball was about to go up -- one jumper jumped late and the other never did, with 8 startled players around them [and these were pretty good JV teams]).

At this point, the only reason I can see to keep the jump is tradition -- so I agree it is a matter of time until it goes away, but I think it will still be a while because of the tradition.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I still hate the AP, but can't imagine it going away. And, while it's not particularly important in the grand scheme, I like the fact that the game starts with each team having a chance to get the ball on the jump, and I'd hate to see it go away.

I can predict who will win the jump 80 to 90% of the time.

Why should the team with the tallest player get an advantage in the process that determines the first possession?

That said, I like the opening jump....whether tossing it myself or not.