NC v Louisville

[JRutledge]

Peace

[BigCat]

Thx. It looks like counting basket was right. I wasn't sure when I watched it earlier if the foul occurred when he had ball..or close enough. Thx again

[Nevadaref]

The holding foul is CLEARLY before the player catches the pass. This goal should not have counted by rule.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The holding foul is CLEARLY before the player catches the pass. This goal should not have counted by rule.

That's what I thought originally and why I asked to bring play up. I just can't tell if the defender's right arm is still in there when catch made. I've had this happen a few times and had to explain that the ball is dead when the foul occurs prior to the catch. Not a shooting foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigCat

That's what I thought originally and why I asked to bring play up. I just can't tell if the defender's right arm is still in there when catch made. I've had this happen a few times and had to explain that the ball is dead when the foul occurs prior to the catch. Not a shooting foul.

They aren't going to split hairs to deny a shooting foul, and neither am I.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They aren't going to split hairs to deny a shooting foul, and neither am I

Yes. I shouldn't either...

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The holding foul is CLEARLY before the player catches the pass. This goal should not have counted by rule.

He didn't call the hold, he called the midair bump after the gather.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

He didn't call the hold, he called the midair bump after the gather.

Did you see his signal? I didn't.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Thx. It looks like counting basket was right. I wasn't sure when I watched it earlier if the foul occurred when he had ball..or close enough. Thx again

Yes they counted the basket and gave him 1 free throw.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes they counted the basket and gave him 1 free throw.

Peace

Can you watch it 10 more seconds and see if you see a signal? I thought he was reporting in the background.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Can you watch it 10 more seconds and see if you see a signal? I thought he was reporting in the background.

No indication in the broadcast what he reported. I went back and looked for you.

And I also believe I am giving the player everything he can get and that would be the basket and the foul. Contact did start before he touches the ball, but what was he trying to ultimately do? Shoot. I am giving that to him or not taking it away because part of the contact started before he touches the pass.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No indication in the broadcast what he reported. I went back and looked for you.

And I also believe I am giving the player everything he can get and that would be the basket and the foul. Contact did start before he touches the ball, but what was he trying to ultimately do? Shoot. I am giving that to him or not taking it away because part of the contact started before he touches the pass.

This last part is not relevant is wrong by rule. Attempting to justify an incorrect call with some made-up rationale doesn't accomplish anything.

Just follow the rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This last part is not relevant is wrong by rule. Attempting to justify an incorrect call with some made-up rationale doesn't accomplish anything.

Just follow the rule.

I am not trying to justify anything. The issue is when does the official have a foul. He might not feel there really is a foul until it is clear he is shooting. Now if you rule a foul before, then you cannot justify a shot in this case as at the very least you have to have touched the ball to start your motion. But when the offensive player is kind of undercut and that is not clear until the shooting motion, I am giving the shots. I am going to penalize the defense as much as I can in those case when everything is happening that fast.

This is not about the rule, it is about judgment. Judgment allows a lot of people to wait until you see the result of everything before you blow your whistle. If you disagree, that is fine. I am just thinking it is good officiating to wait. I have no issues with the call.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also believe I am giving the player everything he can get and that would be the basket and the foul. Contact did start before he touches the ball, but what was he trying to ultimately do? Shoot. I am giving that to him or not taking it away because part of the contact started before he touches the pass.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This last part is not relevant is wrong by rule. Attempting to justify an incorrect call with some made-up rationale doesn't accomplish anything.

Just follow the rule.

It actually is relevant - to a point - because we're told to let plays start, develop and finish. If the Louisville player doesn't catch the ball or can't control it while he's up there then put a whistle on the contact prior to the shot attempt. He caught the ball so go to the next step: can he shoot it? Yes, go to the next step: Was he hit, displaced or not allowed to land safely? Yes. Put a whistle on that. In other words, the Louisville player's offensive movement wasn't hindered until he was shooting the ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This last part is not relevant is wrong by rule. Attempting to justify an incorrect call with some made-up rationale doesn't accomplish anything.

Just follow the rule.

You can write an entire dissertation on why you think you are right, that is a shooting foul to me. I have called it a shooting foul in the past, I will continue to do so in the future, and no supervisor I have will tell me I got it wrong.