Talking with Coaches

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have to say this might be the biggest leap anyone has ever made. I don't understand how you can get this from Camron's lack of surprise that you don't admit to missed calls.

The OP is about a play that both him and his partner was involved in directly (and 2 man as well). Only in the conversation he had with his partner did he realize that there was a situation that might have been missed, but again both were involved. This is also why in the OP the partner was not happy with the conversation he had with the coach after the fact. Yes, I would not be happy with my partner as coaches are scoundrels. They take any little thing you say and try to use it against you even if you are telling them the truth. Just like I had a play a few days ago and a coach lied on me to my partner after I told him exactly why I did not make a call he wanted.

Secondly, I probably watch more tape than most here of my games and of games of others. Every halftime and every post game I like to talk about plays we had or situations we were involved in. I even tell my partners "thanks" when I miss something and they have my back on a call. Or I ask them about a play I was not sure of and see if they had a better angle. I do not take those conversations and tell them what we did wrong. I might explain what we had if it is like a T or some unusual situation and why we came to a conclusion, but never going to a coach and informing them of a play "we felt" we got wrong directly to a coach. If there is a play or rule that only involves me, that is a different story. But never will I tell a coach anything about what we talked about and certainly not do so after the fact when several minutes or after halftime and telling a coach anything. There are many other plays in a game and if that is something we missed, I am sure they missed many other plays as well. Even when there are calls I am not happy with, I am not volunteering anything to a coach about my thoughts and certainly not the thoughts of my partners. To do so means you are selling out your partner in a roundabout way.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...a coach lied ...

This is the #1 reason I limit conversations with coaches about past plays. I have caught so many of them lying, about me and about partners, it is rather disgraceful.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is the #1 reason I limit conversations with coaches about past plays. I have caught so many of them lying, about me and about partners, it is rather disgraceful.

I absolutely agree. I limit all of my conversation to rule book language. This helps, because then when a coach makes something up, few people believe it because it doesn't fit with my historic tone and approach to any conversation.

If you historically use long, colorful and unnecessary explanations, it becomes easier to believe the coach who may be mis-characterizing (or simply misunderstanding) your words.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is the #1 reason I limit conversations with coaches about past plays. I have caught so many of them lying, about me and about partners, it is rather disgraceful.

I had a coach this week do just that.

I had a player in the FC with A1 passing to A2. The ball hits A2 in the hands where he does not control the ball and the ball starts going to the BC. Well just the ball is going to the BC, A2 reaches out with the ball in the air, touches the ball in the FC, then tries to shield B2 a little from getting to the ball, then when the ball touches the floor in the BC, A2 goes and possesses the ball in the BC. I call an obvious BC violation. The coach from Team A asks me about the play. I explain basically what happen and the coach contents there was not a violation at first, then tries to claim there was a foul (which neither me or my partner judged). I go back to the coach and explain better about a minute later as he will not let this go. Team A coach then later goes to my partner who was the C on the play and says, "Your partner told me that you can bump another player." My partner without missing a beat said, "He did not say that to you" and walked away.

Actually I felt that was pretty disgraceful as well. But then again this coach has a reputation so there you go.

Peace