Talking with Coaches

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have a problem with you passing on the foul. Your words: "I passed on a push by A1 during rebounding action"; "Regardless, B1 was displaced, I clearly saw it,"; "The result was that A1 got the offensive rebound "; "as play was starting to get rougher than we wanted."

You, yourself, listed 4 good reasons why you should have blown your whistle, include 2 we always look for on rebounding fouls: possession consequence and cleaning up rough play. And on top of that, A1 ends up going to the free throw line.

And even getting this late (after the rebound) would be perfectly fine.

[JRutledge]

I would not admit to a call wrong unless it pretty much happen and then I tell them "I did not get a good look" or "Might have missed that one."

I am not a fan of going back later to a coach well after the fact.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not admit to a call wrong unless it pretty much happen and then I tell them "I did not get a good look" or "Might have missed that one."


Peace

This doesn't surprise me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This doesn't surprise me.

So you sell out your partners?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you sell out your partners?

Peace

I have to say this might be the biggest leap anyone has ever made. I don't understand how you can get this from Camron's lack of surprise that you don't admit to missed calls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have to say this might be the biggest leap anyone has ever made. I don't understand how you can get this from Camron's lack of surprise that you don't admit to missed calls.

The OP is about a play that both him and his partner was involved in directly (and 2 man as well). Only in the conversation he had with his partner did he realize that there was a situation that might have been missed, but again both were involved. This is also why in the OP the partner was not happy with the conversation he had with the coach after the fact. Yes, I would not be happy with my partner as coaches are scoundrels. They take any little thing you say and try to use it against you even if you are telling them the truth. Just like I had a play a few days ago and a coach lied on me to my partner after I told him exactly why I did not make a call he wanted.

Secondly, I probably watch more tape than most here of my games and of games of others. Every halftime and every post game I like to talk about plays we had or situations we were involved in. I even tell my partners "thanks" when I miss something and they have my back on a call. Or I ask them about a play I was not sure of and see if they had a better angle. I do not take those conversations and tell them what we did wrong. I might explain what we had if it is like a T or some unusual situation and why we came to a conclusion, but never going to a coach and informing them of a play "we felt" we got wrong directly to a coach. If there is a play or rule that only involves me, that is a different story. But never will I tell a coach anything about what we talked about and certainly not do so after the fact when several minutes or after halftime and telling a coach anything. There are many other plays in a game and if that is something we missed, I am sure they missed many other plays as well. Even when there are calls I am not happy with, I am not volunteering anything to a coach about my thoughts and certainly not the thoughts of my partners. To do so means you are selling out your partner in a roundabout way.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...a coach lied ...

This is the #1 reason I limit conversations with coaches about past plays. I have caught so many of them lying, about me and about partners, it is rather disgraceful.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you sell out your partners?

Peace

No, I admin MY mistakes, not try to BS my way out of them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, I admin MY mistakes, not try to BS my way out of them.

So you tell the coach every time you make a mistake or you think you make a mistake?

Forgive me, but that is full of crap. I do not believe you for a second. You would be the only official I know that does that on any level. BTW, I make multiple mistakes every game and many times they are not times the coach complains about (at least from my point of view).

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you tell the coach every time you make a mistake or you think you make a mistake?

Forgive me, but that is full of crap. I do not believe you for a second. You would be the only official I know that does that on any level. BTW, I make multiple mistakes every game and many times they are not times the coach complains about (at least from my point of view).

Peace

Where did I say that? Do you love making stuff up that I never said nor thought?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, I admin MY mistakes, not try to BS my way out of them.

How do you admit your mistakes?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I read Jrut's post as, "I don't admit I'm wrong unless it probably happened. In which case I'll say, "Coach I didn't get a good look" or "I may have missed that one."

Usually when I'm not happy about not putting air in my whistle it's because I had a bad look at a play and wasn't confident in making a call.

In short, what's wrong with Jrut's method?