One foul or two?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or the "two" actions were really one extended action.

It sounds to me like the push came before the whistle was sounded. If it was that quick, it could very well have been one act.

I think I'd have to see it to know if I'd consider it one act or two.

Agree -- this is being radically shaped by how people are picturing the play. My initial picture was a foul followed by a push because the player was still trying to get the ref to call the foul. That to me is just a common foul, followed by a nothing.

But if it's a more violent push or more clearly after play is stopped, the whole scenario changes radically and common foul plus tech makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I'm hard pressed to see an intentional foul here with a common foul occurring first.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Agree -- this is being radically shaped by how people are picturing the play. My initial picture was a foul followed by a push because the player was still trying to get the ref to call the foul. That to me is just a common foul, followed by a nothing.

But if it's a more violent push or more clearly after play is stopped, the whole scenario changes radically and common foul plus tech makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I'm hard pressed to see an intentional foul here with a common foul occurring first.

If I'm right on top of it, and the player's initial foul turns to an intentional foul before I can even finish blowing my whistle, I'm escalating to an intentional foul. We can't ignore a player being shoved down.

[bob jenkins]

I've had a similar play and gone with common plus CDBT (in NCAAW). Some confusion from the coach, but no real issues.

[JetMetFan]

I'm in the "I would like to see the play" camp. If there's contact - whistle - (beat) - push, that's common and a T. I guess a question would be did it appear the defender was going to follow through with the contact on the common foul? That would be the one way to justify an IF. If they stopped themselves and then shoved, that's a T. Based on the OP it sounds as though the latter is what happened.