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Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977590)
Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977602)
1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

Dad Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977606)
I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 977609)
Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

My guess is that they appropriated that term from the days of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaOp8vs317c

11:13 mark of this video is a perfect example of this.

39:33 is an inbounds in the "right" corner and the trail official immediately moves to the left. Unseen is the L, who started right and switched sides when the trail did.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 22, 2016 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977603)
I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

maybe teams used to be extremely right-handed. That can make Cadillac more effective by reducing the times L needs to cross-over.

But, I agree that it hasn't been useful for 20 years or so.

jpgc99 Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977615)
My guess is that they appropriated that term from the days of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaOp8vs317c

11:13 mark of this video is a perfect example of this.

39:33 is an inbounds in the "right" corner and the trail official immediately moves to the left. Unseen is the L, who started right and switched sides when the trail did.

AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 977621)
AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

That's how things were done in 1987. The goal was to have the officials "go left" at the first convenient opportunity.

I enjoyed watching this, mainly cause this was my first year as a HS official.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 977621)
AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

No. The goal is to always have the players on the officials right (I think -- it's been a long time)

Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:35pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977623)
That's how things were done in 1987. The goal was to have the officials "go left" at the first convenient opportunity.

I enjoyed watching this, mainly cause this was my first year as a HS official.

I also noticed the trail signaling the successful two-point goal at 39:47.

Then there's the collars.

Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:47pm

And there it is, the trail administering the first free throw at 51:02.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977606)
I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.


A: We cross over the floor, though L always starts left in that situation. Conversely, if the throw-in is frontcourt sideline left, the L starts positioned on his right (i.e. strong side....just like in 3-p). I suppose that latter part is a slight modification to the Cadillac of old. All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.


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bob jenkins Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977643)
All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.

I don't think this follows at all.

Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977632)
I also noticed the trail signaling the successful two-point goal at 39:47.

Then there's the collars.

That's right. I remember when we were allowed to not signal the made baskets as the trail. Believe it or not, some officials were opposed to that.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 977646)
I don't think this follows at all.


It does in L. Our 2-p L behaves just like a 3-p L.

T…not so much. T's home base is left, but he's all over the place and when L rotates over right, T moves above the key to view the weak side.


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bob jenkins Fri Jan 22, 2016 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977649)
It does in L. Our 2-p L behaves just like a 3-p L.

Much of that should happen whether you work Cadillac or not.


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