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[pizanno]

Trust your partners. If their judgement gets them into situations, let them handle it until they ask for help.

"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."
- my mother

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mrroberts

It's helpful and i think some good concepts. I'm not sure I could have used them in this situation as I was opposite bench side and really didn't have a chance to communicate with the coach at that moment.

I also don't think I would want to tell the coach I had the same call if I didn't have a whistle. Maybe just a slight reword of it looked like a good call to me. Small difference in wording but back to your point of having your partners back can be helpful. I had a coach ask me last night about a travel and I gave him that response to back this same partner.

You can talk to your partner in a way that expresses support. As you're switching positions or moving in to administer the FT, a quick "Good get, Steve" loud enough for the coach to hear you does the same thing.

I've had coaches ask me if I had the same thing my partner called, and I only give one of two answers.

"Yes I did."

"I was watching another area."

I have no problem telling a coach I had the same thing even if I didn't have a whistle.

Edited to add: there is a third possible answer, "He had a much better angle than I/we did." I use "we" when the play happens while I'm standing at L or C next to the coach. It's one of my favorite lines.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

You asked for input:

Remembering, on the court you are a team and protect each other! What if roles were reversed? In the locker room a partner asked a judgement question and a judgement answer was given. Share knowledge and agree to disagree then move on. Otherwise, the impression is that you are inflexible.

While on the court there might of been an opportunity to protect a partner with a simple comment to the coach, "I had the same call."

If you want a good partner, maybe start out by "being" a good partner?

Tough situation; compliments on not making public a disagreement.

Hope this helps.

I would not recommend lying to a coach. There are other ways to be a good partner. If you disagreed with the call (but, as if often the case, can do nothing about it) find something better to say. In the soccer context (I'm a soccer ref but merely a basketball dad), I've used things like, "coach, he's forty yards closer than you are and had a great angle." "Coach, he had a better look at that than either you or I did." "It's been called the same way all day." But I will never lie to a coach. Period. YMMV. (This also means I very rarely will say it was a good call -- I don't want a negative inference if I don't.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mrroberts

Boys Varsity game.. 4th quarter and maybe 3-4 minutes remaining. Visiting team is winning by 30.

Visiting player drives to the basket and the lead calls a foul and counts the bucket. I'm the trail and didn't have a foul call as I had incidental contact. I'm not concerned on the foul call and whether or not it was a foul but the lead counts the bucket. The contact that I saw was certainly before the shot. He had already signaled and counted the bucket.

After the game I asked him about the call and he said he believed the player had started his shooting motion and started to go up. I still disagree and disagree strongly. The home coach also disagreed and had a few words to say to let the other official know this wasn't the NBA but he was down 30 and that point so he didn't put up that much of a fight.

Any thoughts on how best to handle? Appreciate any feedback.

He called it as lead, there's a good chance he saw contact after what you saw; contact that was not incidental that happened after the shooting motion had begun.

Also, as others stated, whether he takes another step or not after getting fouled is completely irrelevant to the decision on whether his shooting motion had begun. Many layups involve shooting motion that begins prior to the final step being taken.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by mrroberts

4th quarter and maybe 3-4 minutes remaining. Visiting team is winning by 30.

After the game I asked him about the call ...

Why? A nothing call like this in a game that's been over for a while shouldn't gnaw at you to the point you actually bring it up to your partner in the locker room.

That can only end with negative feelings, regardless of how it plays out face to face.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ODog

Why? A nothing call like this in a game that's been over for a while shouldn't gnaw at you to the point you actually bring it up to your partner in the locker room.

That can only end with negative feelings, regardless of how it plays out face to face.

I have no problem asking about the call just for knowledge's sake. The problem is expessing disagreement. Just say "ok".

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ODog

Why? A nothing call like this in a game that's been over for a while shouldn't gnaw at you to the point you actually bring it up to your partner in the locker room.

That can only end with negative feelings, regardless of how it plays out face to face.

I have no problem with any question about any call. I will sometimes ask directly, "What did you see?" Then when they tell me, we move on. But I might want to know so that I have their perspective. Never accuse or suggest they are wrong, just looking for understanding.

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