Backcourt Violation?

[chymechowder]

Does the ball not need to have FC status?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

Does the ball not need to have FC status?

the ball gets FC status as soon as it touches the player with FC status (#24).

And I missed the initial save, which actually was what generated TC here.

Looks to me like OU gained control when he grabbed the ball and threw it off of the ISU player. OU needs only to establish FC location for the ball, which happens when #24 touches it without FC location. Once he goes into the BC it's a violation.

[RefRich]

Originally Posted by Adam

And I missed the initial save, which actually was what generated TC here.

How does the player saving the ball from going out of bounds create TC here? He shows no control over the ball, he is just the first to touch it.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by RefRich

How does the player saving the ball from going out of bounds create TC here? He shows no control over the ball, he is just the first to touch it.

He grabs it and throws it -- how is that NOT control?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RefRich

How does the player saving the ball from going out of bounds create TC here? He shows no control over the ball, he is just the first to touch it.

It looks to me like he grabs it and throws it back. He doesn't need to hold it for any specified period of time to establish team control. Had he batted the ball, I'd be discussing why I think #24 actually did establish PC (and thus TC) when he started his dribble with two feet in the FC.

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

He grabs it and throws it -- how is that NOT control?

Exactly.

[zm1283]

Put my vote down in the violation column.

Tom Eades is a great official. Got to watch him from the front row behind the table at a game a few years ago. He's one of the best.

[RefRich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

He grabs it and throws it -- how is that NOT control?

I was watching on a smaller screen and it did not look like he caught it. watched it on my big screen. Thanks.

[HokiePaul]

Looks like he clearly caught the ball and threw it off of white to save it. But the second player in red who touches the ball seems to be the start of a dribble. Would the 3 points rule (two feet and the ball required for a dribbler to obtain front court status) not apply? If the touch is a dribble, then the ball retains backcourt status, no? Is college rule different than NFHS?

If the 3 points rule doesn't apply here than it was a great call by the official.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Looks like he clearly caught the ball and threw it off of white to save it. But the second player in red who touches the ball seems to be the start of a dribble. Would the 3 points rule (two feet and the ball required for a dribbler to obtain front court status) not apply? If the touch is a dribble, then the ball retains backcourt status, no? Is college rule different than NFHS?

If the 3 points rule doesn't apply here than it was a great call by the official.

I ask again:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Was he ever dribbling in the backcourt?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RefRich

How does the player saving the ball from going out of bounds create TC here? He shows no control over the ball, he is just the first to touch it.

It's judgment, to be sure. And again we're on the "would you have granted TO?" question (or in NCAA, would you reset the shot clock?)

[APG]

Originally Posted by RefRich

How does the player saving the ball from going out of bounds create TC here? He shows no control over the ball, he is just the first to touch it.

Throw=TC/PC
Bat= no control