Act of Shooting...Foul...Horn...Release -- Score It?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dad

Lost me here, example? Seems with zero accuracy there's no definite knowledge.

Lah, me. I'll explain it to you.

If the foul happens with 0.7 on the clock and the whistle blows with 0.5, but the official doesn't look until 0.2, then 0.2 is what gets restored by rule. In this case the official is not accurate as he was slow to look either when blowing the whistle or hearing his partner's. However, he does have definite knowledge.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Lah, me. I'll explain it to you.

If the foul happens with 0.7 on the clock and the whistle blows with 0.5, but the official doesn't look until 0.2, then 0.2 is what gets restored by rule. In this case the official is not accurate as he was slow to look either when blowing the whistle or hearing his partner's. However, he does have definite knowledge.

This isn't zero accuracy. You knew some time was left on the clock. I was just curious how far Camron would take definite knowledge.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dad

This isn't zero accuracy. You knew some time was left on the clock. I was just curious how far Camron would take definite knowledge.

I have a mental count at any time when the situation matters. I look at the clock on any whistle when the situation matters (and the play allows). Between the two, I'm going to definitely have knowledge of how much time was left, even in fractions of a second, if the horn sounds after my whistle.

In my count, I might be off a couple of tenths at most but that is allowed by rule.

I KNOW that the clock ran after the whistle, I KNOW I had a count in my head. I can, by rule, use that count to restore time regardless of how accurate it is.

Anyone that has ever had much musical training (and I have) is going to have a good sense of time and reasonably accurate timing, even to subparts of a second. No reason not to use all the skills and training one has in order to do a better job.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have a mental count at any time when the situation matters. I look at the clock on any whistle when the situation matters (and the play allows). Between the two, I'm going to definitely have knowledge of how much time was left, even in fractions of a second, if the horn sounds after my whistle.

In my count, I might be off a couple of tenths at most but that is allowed by rule.

I KNOW that the clock ran after the whistle, I KNOW I had a count in my head. I can, by rule, use that count to restore time regardless of how accurate it is.

Anyone that has ever had much musical training (and I have) is going to have a good sense of time and reasonably accurate timing, even to subparts of a second. No reason not to use all the skills and training one has in order to do a better job.

Thank you for the response!

I agree, musical training helps a lot with having a feel for timing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dad

Lost me here, example? Seems with zero accuracy there's no definite knowledge.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Lah, me. I'll explain it to you.

If the foul happens with 0.7 on the clock and the whistle blows with 0.5, but the official doesn't look until 0.2, then 0.2 is what gets restored by rule. In this case the official is not accurate as he was slow to look either when blowing the whistle or hearing his partner's. However, he does have definite knowledge.

Another example....the clock is at 7.5 at the time of a throwin that is immediately caught inbounds while closely guarded. The clock doesn't start. The official's 5-count is in progress and gets to 5 without the clock starting. Like many official's counts, the count is slow and it was really 8 seconds. You still take 5 off the clock regardless of how accurate the official's count is.