VIDEO REQUEST - OU/WV - Blocking Call - 2nd Half, 5:59 remaining

[RedAndWhiteRef]

I have a block here. It looks to me like the defender isn't quite facing the ball handler until he's airborne. He's ever so slightly turned before them. Take a look at his feet in relation to where the WV player is coming from

[Dad]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

I have a block here. It looks to me like the defender isn't quite facing the ball handler until he's airborne. He's ever so slightly turned before them. Take a look at his feet in relation to where the WV player is coming from

You don't have to be squared up on contact. For all I care the defender gets LGP when the offense is at half court. No time or space. No reason to make this a difficult call and officiate if the offense isn't faced the correct way on impact.

What did the defense do wrong?

[mrroberts]

I've got a block as well.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

I have a block here. It looks to me like the defender isn't quite facing the ball handler until he's airborne. He's ever so slightly turned before them. Take a look at his feet in relation to where the WV player is coming from

Offensive Charge!
It may be the player-turned-coach-turned official, in me; but on a two on one play, where the ball-handler dribbles 45 plus feet of court and doesn't pass ahead to his open teammate... I'll always reward the defense, on a close play. Any good coach would tell his player: Pass the frigging ball!

[Raymond]

It also needs to be noted that the defender had his arms out-stretched, not vertical. Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It also needs to be noted that the defender had his arms out-stretched, not vertical. Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

That's what I saw the first few times I watched it - it looked like the main contact may have been on the outstretched arm...but it's hard to tell from the angle of the video.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

Seems fairly incidental considering that the bulk of the contact is against the defender's shoulder.

[#olderthanilook]

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion and first contact is initiated by B1. A1's left hand comes into play after these two factors.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

I did notice that also.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion

I don't think that's the rule anymore.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think that's the rule anymore.

It's not. But for fun, I analyzed it from that perspective, and under the rule that only lasted a year or two, this would have been a block.

As it is, we have the torso argument, and the left arm argument. 50/50 from here. I'd love to get a look from C's angle, and I wouldn't question his reasoning regardless because this was very close for lots of reasons.


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[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion and first contact is initiated by B1. A1's left hand comes into play after these two factors.

That is not the deciding point for when the defender has to obtain LGP under any rule set. Even in the NBA, a defender has to obtain a legal position prior to the offensive player's upward movement of his shoulders to be considered legal. The habitual motion is almost always well before this point. And under NCAA/NFHS rules, a defender must obtain legal position prior to the opponent being airborne. The habitual motion is well before this point at to use this at the deciding point is penalizing the defense.

[Da Official]

No call or block. Shooter gets the whole right side of his body (arm and leg) past the defender before the slight contact occurs. If defender doesn't embellish then we have nothing to rule on. He caused the problem so its probably why he got the block in this case.

(And I'm an OU grad...)

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by APG

That is not the deciding point for when the defender has to obtain LGP under any rule set. Even in the NBA, a defender has to obtain a legal position prior to the offensive player's upward movement of his shoulders to be considered legal. The habitual motion is almost always well before this point. And under NCAA/NFHS rules, a defender must obtain legal position prior to the opponent being airborne. The habitual motion is well before this point and to use this as the deciding point is penalizing the defense.

/thumbs up

Thank you for pointing that out.