VIDEO REQUEST - OU/WV - Blocking Call - 2nd Half, 5:59 remaining

[Dad]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

I have a block here. It looks to me like the defender isn't quite facing the ball handler until he's airborne. He's ever so slightly turned before them. Take a look at his feet in relation to where the WV player is coming from

You don't have to be squared up on contact. For all I care the defender gets LGP when the offense is at half court. No time or space. No reason to make this a difficult call and officiate if the offense isn't faced the correct way on impact.

What did the defense do wrong?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Fantastic job by the Lead for holding his preliminary signal. This could've easily have been a blarge situation.

And by the way he was walking off the baseline, it looked to me like he was going the other way with this one.

[Camron Rust]

I don't think we can say what it was from this view. The C and the L both had much better angles than we had.

Unless I saw and a view form the another angle, I'm going with inconclusive.

This is just like a recent video I watched that looked like a charge over and over, until they showed an endline view that revealed the defender leaning out to get the contact.

[mrroberts]

I've got a block as well.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tnolan

thinking charge here.
Lead did a great job getting back, but maybe hold up so he doesn't get behind that last offensive player...mighta had a better look. didn't matter though. C came out strong and Lead did well to hold his prelim. no matter what the call was. i wonder if they agreed?

sidebar: someone remind me please...difference in NCAA vs. NFHS for setting LGP in relation to the shooter?

There is none.

MTD, Sr.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by frezer11

And by the way he was walking off the baseline, it looked to me like he was going the other way with this one.

I noticed that. He looked like he was getting ready to ship it.

From this angle, easy PC (not sure how anybody is getting a block on this video to be honest) and definitely not a flop.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

I have a block here. It looks to me like the defender isn't quite facing the ball handler until he's airborne. He's ever so slightly turned before them. Take a look at his feet in relation to where the WV player is coming from

Offensive Charge!
It may be the player-turned-coach-turned official, in me; but on a two on one play, where the ball-handler dribbles 45 plus feet of court and doesn't pass ahead to his open teammate... I'll always reward the defense, on a close play. Any good coach would tell his player: Pass the frigging ball!

[Raymond]

It also needs to be noted that the defender had his arms out-stretched, not vertical. Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It also needs to be noted that the defender had his arms out-stretched, not vertical. Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

That's what I saw the first few times I watched it - it looked like the main contact may have been on the outstretched arm...but it's hard to tell from the angle of the video.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Some of that contact occurs with the left arm.

Seems fairly incidental considering that the bulk of the contact is against the defender's shoulder.

[#olderthanilook]

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion and first contact is initiated by B1. A1's left hand comes into play after these two factors.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

I did notice that also.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion

I don't think that's the rule anymore.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think that's the rule anymore.

It's not. But for fun, I analyzed it from that perspective, and under the rule that only lasted a year or two, this would have been a block.

As it is, we have the torso argument, and the left arm argument. 50/50 from here. I'd love to get a look from C's angle, and I wouldn't question his reasoning regardless because this was very close for lots of reasons.


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[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

It looks like A1 used his left hand to help elevate himself beyond B1.

Btw, I have a block here since the defender did not have LGP until after A1 is already in his habitual shooting motion and first contact is initiated by B1. A1's left hand comes into play after these two factors.

That is not the deciding point for when the defender has to obtain LGP under any rule set. Even in the NBA, a defender has to obtain a legal position prior to the offensive player's upward movement of his shoulders to be considered legal. The habitual motion is almost always well before this point. And under NCAA/NFHS rules, a defender must obtain legal position prior to the opponent being airborne. The habitual motion is well before this point at to use this at the deciding point is penalizing the defense.