"Let the Lead Have 1st Crack"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

If you are speaking to me, I was referring to high school ball.

So was I. D1 people teach at high school camps.

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

What do you mean screwed you?

Originally Posted by Dad

What do you mean screwed you?

Cuz I ended up having to call across two lines and guess on a play that definitely needed a whistle and Slot didn't get.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Cuz I ended up having to call across two lines and guess on a play that definitely needed a whistle and Slot didn't get.

Did you ask him why he didn't have a whistle? Just curious what he thought of the play.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Cuz I ended up having to call across two lines and guess on a play that definitely needed a whistle and Slot didn't get.

If you are guessing then you probably shouldn't have a whistle.

[packersowner]

First, let me say this again, thank you for posting. You are opening yourself to critique, but these plays and video make us all better.

I am sure there are differing opinions on this, but one thing I noticed on your table reporting mechanic. You called opposite table, then ran baseline, presumably past your partner to go to the table. I was always taught to go outside of the players on a play like this, not inside. A couple of reasons for this, this keeps the majority of the players in front of you as you are going to the table. Your T is watching this, but if your partner started to rotate, it places more responsibility on your T. It also in this situation, prevents you from running directly in front of the bench and keeps you more front and center to the table.

The other thing that makes this challenging is your transition rotation, assuming your throw in was on the table side of the lane, presumably you went to the new L, your C became the T and your T became the C. NFHS officials manuals never show positioning for a throw in from outside of your PCA. Sometimes these become the most challenging, or at least for me they do.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

This is a perfect example, thanks for sharing. Primary defender with ball handler going to the basket.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

Agreed. Luckily you had a strong partner at lead to bail you out.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

To be honest, we have pretty much the same view as the C in this video and its pretty hard to tell how much contact if any happens on this play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

Your play happened outside the paint and the C had a clear view of the defender's positioning, he should have had that whistle.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Your play happened outside the paint and the C had a clear view of the defender's positioning, he should have had that whistle.

I agree its the Cs call as the entire play happens in his primary, its a "secondary" play and not really transition, and he should have picked up that defender. That's what he needed to anticipate to have to referree as the offensive player is headed toward the basket.

I agree with Arem's second opinion that its a block. But do think the play needed a whistle and the reasoning he gave for the call were valid. I would not like working with a partner who thinks the L should get "all" transition plays as was apparently said here. Whats the point of 3-man if you don't have a strong C for plays like this?

And I'd ignore any issue with the route you took to report. As you said maybe you could have been stronger with the prelim but I would have gone the same route, especially since the C should be replacing you as the L and you will be the new T tableside.

[biggravy]

I also thank you for posting this. It helps us all get better. A strong C will have this play. From L you did what you needed to do by having a patient whistle. Are you guessing? A little. But you articulated why you had what you had and I like the thought process. I know there are strong opinions both ways, but I like having a whistle on all crashes. It was close to a 50/50 and a case could be made for a block or shipping this. Bottom line, if C stays with the drive and steps down to get an angle he can be in the best position to make this call. Some people seem to have this thought that as C they can't go below the FTLE. I'm stepping down to get an angle.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by biggravy

I also thank you for posting this. It helps us all get better. A strong C will have this play. From L you did what you needed to do by having a patient whistle. Are you guessing? A little. But you articulated why you had what you had and I like the thought process. I know there are strong opinions both ways, but I like having a whistle on all crashes. It was close to a 50/50 and a case could be made for a block or shipping this. Bottom line, if C stays with the drive and steps down to get an angle he can be in the best position to make this call. Some people seem to have this thought that as C they can't go below the FTLE. I'm stepping down to get an angle.

Did you mean to say stepping down? I'm going the other way and getting a great angle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

Did you mean to say stepping down? I'm going the other way and getting a great angle.

Going the other way will cause you to be straight-lined.