i thought this was the case

again, had the ball in the been in the air when i did this i would agree. but changing your stance and having a player throw the ball off your legs doesnt sound like a kick to me.

in a similar situation....if a offensive player goes to save the ball out of bounds and throws it off a defenders leg and it goes out of bounds. is that a kicked ball or is it out of bounds offenses ball?

believe me, i have thought about paying a ref $20 for a nights work to alleviate all the headaches we go through

For a Men's league? Good luck with that! :)

we know what you did, and when.

It likely doesn't matter.

Play: Ball rolls away from players. A1 sees he ball coming toward him and doesn't move his leg. The ball rolls and hits A1 in the leg and A1 reaches down and picks up the ball. Ruling: Kicking violation.

Play: A1 and B1 are on the floor fighting for a "loose ball." The ball rolls into A1's legs and A1 clamps the ball so B1 cant' pull it away. Ruling" Kicking violation.

I think I was pretty clear in how I interpret the rule, and it appears others do as well. We will have to agree to disagree.

It wouldn't help, players would argue about kicked ball violations. :cool:

Bob, I never feel good about disagreeing with you. However, you're wrong on the first play. You cannot have a kicking violation from inaction.

Eastshire I agree with you. This isnt a violation. It is like we are deeming any time a ball hits the leg its a violation because you cant use your leg to defend a pass. What I mean is this. If a leg isnt moving it is not kicking. Even if I think he might pass I can move my legs into a defensive position. If I intend to move my leg to stop the ball its a kick. He wasnt moving his leg. If I think his feet were still moving into that position when the ball tries to go between his leg of course it is a kick. You would be calling intentional kicking on non-moving legs all the time because the kid put his leg in the passing lane and it was there before the pass hit it therefore he intentional kicked the ball. I would love to have more chime in here that if I put my leg down in the passing lane and it isnt moving that I kicked the ball intentionally without my foot moving because I knew it was going to have a ball hit it.

Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

How is a stationary leg striking the ball if it isnt moving....the ball hit it... the leg didnt move and hit the ball.

Interesting discussion.

the bolded there was my stance on it. i didnt jump in the way of the pass nor did i extend any part of my leg to deflect the pass. i stodd there and closed my legs before the ball ever left his hand. in my mind, thats not a kicking motion even though technically it hit my leg

It's what the official called it. End of story.

I'll leave the thread open, but the OP would be wise to stop repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

Well my friend let me tell you about something called the "Iron Triangle". :D

The "official" in a pick-up game? Usually that's the guy that makes the first call or guy that yells loudest or maybe the guy with keys to gym or only decent ball:D

im always 2 of the 3 and if i am really mad i can be the trifecta :)

Rules, what rules?
 

In pick up ball, a lot of rules as we know them are out the window. Most guys know this...ever tried calling a player control foul in a pick up game? You'd prob get laughed off the court.

ugh, dont get me started. we have at times counted out loud a guy who is in the lane for 17 seconds (we are old guys so chances for offensive rebounds are aplenty) he feels as long as he puts part of a foot out of the lane that negates it

Lane violations in pick up ball? What are you, a bunch of old lawyers and judges?