End of Quarter

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I agree with Bob and J Rut,

It seems to me that, according to 6-7-6 and Exception a. that the actions of the shooter should be considered part of the 3rd Quarter:

SECTION 7 DEAD BALL The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART.6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the tap or try ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap fora field goal is in flight.

Thus, because the shooter was airborne when the quarter signal sounded, all actions that are part of the quarter include his illegal "chin-up" and the penalty for that action would be considered as part of the 3rd quarter. So, the shots for that Technical foul would be administered before the intermission between the 3rd and 4th quarters is started, and the 4th quarter will be started with the AP arrow.

Disclaimer: I would probably treat this as part of the 3rd quarter as well.

But, for the sake of argument, the slam dunk try probably ended about 0.1 seconds after the try was released (i.e. when the ball cleared the net). So unless the dunk took place with 0.1 or less on the clock, time probably expired after the try was over (even of the shooter was still hanging up there). That negates the Article 6 exception for the airborne shooter, no? Time expired after, not while the try or tap for field goal was in flight.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Disclaimer: I would probably treat this as part of the 3rd quarter as well.

But, for the sake of argument, the slam dunk try probably ended about 0.1 seconds after the try was released (i.e. when the ball cleared the net). So unless the dunk took place with 0.1 or less on the clock, time probably expired after the try was over (even of the shooter was still hanging up there). That negates the Article 6 exception for the airborne shooter, no? Time expired after, not while the try or tap for field goal was in flight.

I think the EXCEPTION portion of the ruling is that because the airborne shooter still has not returned to the floor, the quarter has not ended. Granted, he has not returned to the floor because he is hanging on the rim/doing a chin-up, thus the exceptional activity that extends the quarter constitutes a punishable offense.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Disclaimer: I would probably treat this as part of the 3rd quarter as well.

But, for the sake of argument, the slam dunk try probably ended about 0.1 seconds after the try was released (i.e. when the ball cleared the net). So unless the dunk took place with 0.1 or less on the clock, time probably expired after the try was over (even of the shooter was still hanging up there). That negates the Article 6 exception for the airborne shooter, no? Time expired after, not while the try or tap for field goal was in flight.

SECTION 7 DEAD BALL The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART.6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the tap or try ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap fora field goal is in flight.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Disclaimer: I would probably treat this as part of the 3rd quarter as well.

But, for the sake of argument, the slam dunk try probably ended about 0.1 seconds after the try was released (i.e. when the ball cleared the net). So unless the dunk took place with 0.1 or less on the clock, time probably expired after the try was over (even of the shooter was still hanging up there). That negates the Article 6 exception for the airborne shooter, no? Time expired after, not while the try or tap for field goal was in flight.

Why would that negate the exception? That IS the exception.

[bob jenkins]

Crosscountry's point is that since time did not expire "while the try was in flight" the exception does not apply (by a literal reading of the rule)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Crosscountry's point is that since time did not expire "while the try was in flight" the exception does not apply (by a literal reading of the rule)

Correct. Again, for the sake of argument.

In reality, if it takes longer to explain the rule then the intermission itself, I'm not going there.


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[MD Longhorn]

The rule says OR ... not AND.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The rule says OR ... not AND.

correct. But the "when" part still didn't happen.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

correct. But the "when" part still didn't happen.

I respectfully disagree. The tap or try ended once dunked ball had passed through the hoop.