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I also noted the scoreboard in the first clip. Tie game, 3 minutes left. To call an intentional foul here, even for the so-called criteria of "excessive" contact, would not be a good choice. I am in a unique position to render an opinion on the matter because.....well, let's just say you should take it from a guy who made this mistake in a camp game last summer and got a personal visit from the camp director in the aftermath. Good learning experience....but it hurt. Shoot the free throws and move on, for the love of your advancement! ![]() |
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When In Rome ...
It's probably just a local thing, but here in Connecticut, the term hard foul is interchangeable with an intentional foul for excessive contact. Some officials will actually report "intentional hard foul" instead of "intentional excessive contact" while using the unauthorized intentional foul excessive contact signal.
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Bob: I think he was using the NCAA definitions: NFHS IPF = NCAA FF#1 and NFHS FPF = NCAA FF#2. And I agree with everybody before me: No and no. MTD, Sr.
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Curious why you asked if they should be flagrant and not intentional.
First play was kinda almost maybe a block. Think first contact is ball and most of the impact is probably from the offensive player jumping up. Second I'm not seeing very well, but the defense just jumps at a stupid time and makes the best of the situation by swiping at the ball. I'd be hard pressed to call an intentional on either of these stand alone plays. |
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I could see either of these as intentional based on excessive/WIF contact. Sure it's clumsy and perhaps not deliberate but those are not our criteria. |
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