Should Either Be Flagrant? (Video)
 

Same high school game, a couple minutes apart. Are either of these fouls flagrant? Thanks.

Foul #1

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Foul #2

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No and no...

Shoot your FTs and move on

Not even close.

Not only is neither flagrant, neither is even intentional (depending, perhaps, on what else has happened in the game)

No chance. I thought we were going to see someone drove into the wall.

Neither foul was flagrant. However, because the defender's attempts really stunk, the fouls may be fragrant. :rolleyes:

Nope. Just clumsy basketball.

Peace

+1. These are hard fouls, but neither flagrant nor intentional. In the first clip, officials did a good job of closing down and making their presence known.

I also noted the scoreboard in the first clip. Tie game, 3 minutes left. To call an intentional foul here, even for the so-called criteria of "excessive" contact, would not be a good choice. I am in a unique position to render an opinion on the matter because.....well, let's just say you should take it from a guy who made this mistake in a camp game last summer and got a personal visit from the camp director in the aftermath. Good learning experience....but it hurt.

Shoot the free throws and move on, for the love of your advancement! :D

Seems like somebody should ask Santa for a rule explanation regarding flagrant fouls


I wish I had a cool signature

I don't disagree with you, but didn't you just recently get on another poster on a different thread for not being "humble" towards you?

Again, I don't disagree, and I've posted snarky things on this forum before, but it's a two-way street. If you want to be sarcastic and brash to other posters, then don't get mad when people direct it towards you.

Bob:

I think he was using the NCAA definitions: NFHS IPF = NCAA FF#1 and NFHS FPF = NCAA FF#2.

And I agree with everybody before me: No and no.

MTD, Sr.

No and no.

I could see either one of them being deemed intentional for excessive contact, but neither is flagrant (a violent or savage act).

We could have a nice debate on whether or not these should be intentional fouls.

In the first one I can't tell what the shorter player in white does. It is actually 32 white that hits shooters arm. Hard foul but not intentional to me. I can't tell if shorter white player gave her blatant shove. From what I see, no intentional on it.

Number two- I could easily see intentional foul. Again, white 32, just wails at shooters arms. If she hits a lot of ball, not intentional. If she swings this hard and isn't near the ball I could call intentional. Looked like her mind was made up to swing as hard as she could. Looks like she could use an intentional.

I have common fouls on both plays.