Two Entire Rosters Suspended

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by SC Official

What's your point? I would never be working my kids' games, and if I was a fan I certainly wouldn't be suing the officials for not getting involved.

My point was more about the mayhem and that kid needing help.
The first video shows an official grabbing a female.
The second video shows a high school official seeing the need to intervene.
I'm 100% in favor of not grabbing kids, but I just wouldn't say we should never do whats necessary or that we only face liability for getting involved...
I stand by my original position: the L in the original posted video is doing very little... no whistle, no voice and no involvement.
A hands-off approach may save us from physical harm, but it won't create a safer situation for the kids and it doesn't necessarily mitigate liability.
Good discussing men - I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

[QUOTE=Refhoop;974275]

Originally Posted by Dad

Serious question: Do you have any idea what you're talking about or just saying whatever comes to mind?



Yes, putting someone's name on a lawsuit is not too big deal, particularly if the kid is injured bad enough...



https://cdn.streamable.com/video/75a...dd987e691a.mp4

Why are the girls in this video even allowed on the court with those illegal headbands??

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Why are the girls in this video even allowed on the court with those illegal headbands??

This is what happens when officials chose to ignore rules. The players think that if they can get away with headbands with extensions, then they can get away with anything, including a rock 'em sock 'em fight. Allowing headbands with extensions is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Location: A packed courtroom on a hot and humid afternoon. Ceiling fans circle overhead, squeaking as they turn, but the courtroom is still uncomfortably hot.
Attorney (approaching the judge): Your honor, I would like to submit this headband with extensions as exhibit A.
Attorney (turning to the defendant) : Sir, did you observe that the players were wearing headbands with extensions as they were warming up for the game?
Official (a bead of sweat dripping down his cheek): I'm taking the fifth amendment and refuse to answer on the ground it may tend to incriminate me.

And ... scene.

[Raymond]

[QUOTE=Whistles & Stripes;974297]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Why are the girls in this video even allowed on the court with those illegal headbands??

Maybe because this game was played when the headband rule was different?

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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Yup!

I know Allan, and I do not believe that he would make such a statement.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Having means (i.e. NASO insurance) makes you more likely to be named in a lawsuit, not less. Plaintiffs and their lawyers go after cash - from anyone that MIGHT be liable. They don't care if you, State Farm, NASO, or someone else has to pay. Whether or not the litigation impacts your life is another matter altogether.

Perhaps, but having that representation makes it more likely that such a suit will get thrown out early on due to the legal expertise.

And your final sentence is my point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know Allan, and I do not believe that he would make such a statement.

MTD, Sr.

I don't watch much NBA, so perhaps someone could confirm for me whether they actually get physically involved once punches are actually thrown.

Note, it doesn't change my mind on what we should do at the high school level because of all the issues already mentioned.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't watch much NBA, so perhaps someone could confirm for me whether they actually get physically involved once punches are actually thrown.

Note, it doesn't change my mind on what we should do at the high school level because of all the issues already mentioned.

https://youtu.be/wIyV4Zufynw is a youtube compilation of fights.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know Allan, and I do not believe that he would make such a statement.

MTD, Sr.

I'm not making it up - I attended two of his sessions... but by all means ask him and confirm.

To never grab a player fighting is a conundrum for me and an axiom for seemingly most on this forum... which I respect.
BTW: When I get a elementary school fight, I just hold them upside down till the calm down... that always works.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know Allan, and I do not believe that he would make such a statement.

MTD, Sr.

I was actually in the room. BTW, I'd highly recommend the NASO Summit for those who haven't been to one.

I won't speak for Alan, but I'll say what I took away from the talk.

So many officials simply say that they'll do nothing in those situations but back up and take numbers -- I think he's saying that attempting within reason to break up a fight or physically preventing one when starting is not the legal bogeyman that everyone is making it out to be.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I'm not making it up - I attended two of his sessions... but by all means ask him and confirm.

To never grab a player fighting is a conundrum for me and an axiom for seemingly most on this forum... which I respect.
BTW: When I get a elementary school fight, I just hold them upside down till the calm down... that always works.

I doubt anyone is saying never and if they are it's the minority.

It's just good advice to observe fights instead of getting involved. This isn't an all encompassing stance and with good judgement there is the rare case where getting involved is the best decision.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't watch much NBA, so perhaps someone could confirm for me whether they actually get physically involved once punches are actually thrown.

Note, it doesn't change my mind on what we should do at the high school level because of all the issues already mentioned.

NBA officials will do all they can to stop altercations...including using physical force. They also have the luxury of replay to penalize any and all things that need to be penalized.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by APG

NBA officials will do all they can to stop altercations...including using physical force. They also have the luxury of replay to penalize any and all things that need to be penalized.

Very true. They are also all adults and both players and officials are operating within a wholly controlled commercial contractural environment.

You can't compare the NBA with interscholastic sports - the disparaties are numerous and major. They are very different animals.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I'm not making it up - I attended two of his sessions... but by all means ask him and confirm.

To never grab a player fighting is a conundrum for me and an axiom for seemingly most on this forum... which I respect.
BTW: When I get a elementary school fight, I just hold them upside down till the calm down... that always works.

It's an axiom, sure, but axiom's aren't absolutes. The exceptions, for most of us, to an aversion to the use of physical force to break up a fight between students are situations none of us will likely ever actually see.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Very true. They are also all adults and both players and officials are operating within a wholly controlled commercial contractural environment.

You can't compare the NBA with interscholastic sports - the disparaties are numerous and major. They are very different animals.....

Exactly. NBA officials are full time employees whose compensation and legal protections are entirely different than those of us working at the HS level.

As for the video itself I don't have any criticism of the officials on the court. The one thing I would say is that I like to step toward the jump ball and be a bit more aggressive with the whistle in those situations hopefully to act as a deterrent to such non-sense but there's no guarantee that works. The L called the jump ball, quickly called a T when the initial push occurred, then backed up once mayhem ensued.

On the point of never touching players I was just thinking about that last week. I had a jump ball situation with players on the floor and some mild jawing. One player kind of took a step toward an opponent and I put my arm out and sort of pushed him back as I also verbalized to "knock it off" or something to that effect. It came to me as 2nd nature probably from having a background of previous working directly with kids through running recreation leagues, coaching, teaching HS for a few years, etc. But afterwards I was questioning whether or not I should have done that.