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A Pennsylvania Coach Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 973308)
For the first time in almost 30 years I had a scorer hit the horn as we were about to start the 4th quarter and inform me that one of the players on the floor to start the 4th quarter was not on the court at the end of the 3rd quarter. Just before he brought that to my attention, the coach of that team had told me he had a girl who was bleeding and he put someone else in the game for her. Which was the reason for the difference in players on the court. I was amazed that he even paid any attention to it.
One of my favorite stories: Back in my coaching days (about 10 years ago) we were at a tournament in another county (differ chapter of officials than my local one). Our opponents brought in five young quick players late in the first quarter and slapped a press on. When the quarter ended, I asked my assistant to watch to see if they brought the starters back or left the press team in. Nobody checked in. They break the huddle with their five starters on the court. I get the timer to hit the horn and the scorer to tell the officials that none of them checked in. The officials discuss. The ruling?






Five technical fouls! And for some reason, we were awarded one free throw for each. So we started the quarter with five FTs.

Rich Fri Dec 18, 2015 01:02am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 973335)
I can't join. Connecticut is on list of states where individuals can't join the NFHS. Connecticut is all IAABO. We get our NFHS rulebook, and NFHS casebook, from IAABO, not from the NFHS. I used to join the NFHS as a "fake" volleyball official but now that Arbiter and the NFHS have joined forces, the NFHS knows that I'm not a volleyball official.

I don't think they'll stop anyone from paying the $35 at NFHS.org.

BillyMac Fri Dec 18, 2015 07:17am
Nothing For Something ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 973356)
I don't think they'll stop anyone from paying the $35 at NFHS.org.
Correct. I did pay for two years after the partnership between the NFHS and Arbiter. Arbiter knew that I wasn't a NFHS basketball official (no Connecticut basketball officials are members of the NFHS, we're all IAABO) and I did not have access to all the Arbiter/NFHS resources.

deecee Fri Dec 18, 2015 09:12am
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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 973345)
One of my favorite stories: Back in my coaching days (about 10 years ago) we were at a tournament in another county (differ chapter of officials than my local one). Our opponents brought in five young quick players late in the first quarter and slapped a press on. When the quarter ended, I asked my assistant to watch to see if they brought the starters back or left the press team in. Nobody checked in. They break the huddle with their five starters on the court. I get the timer to hit the horn and the scorer to tell the officials that none of them checked in. The officials discuss. The ruling?

Five technical fouls! And for some reason, we were awarded one free throw for each. So we started the quarter with five FTs.
A royal butchering by the crew.

Dad Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:59am
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973367)
A royal butchering by the crew.
Maybe, maybe not. International rules can be funky.

FIBA has some goofy rules.

egj13 Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973370)
Maybe, maybe not. International rules can be funky.

FIBA has some goofy rules.
Different COUNTY...not country

Dad Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:33am
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 973372)
Different COUNTY...not country
Good get. My bad. :(

Nevadaref Fri Dec 18, 2015 07:33pm
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973367)
A royal butchering by the crew.
Please enlighten us with your ruling.

Adam Fri Dec 18, 2015 07:51pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 973421)
Please enlighten us with your ruling.
Well, regardless of the ruling, it's hard to imagine one worse than 5 technical fouls enforced by 5 total FTs.

deecee Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 973421)
Please enlighten us with your ruling.
First off if I give 5 T's there will be 10 FT's shot in a HS game.

Secondly I would instruct the coach to put in the previous 5 that ended the quarter and we would play on. I would not assess any T's.

AremRed Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:58am
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973448)
First off if I give 5 T's there will be 10 FT's shot in a HS game.
So if you eject 5 players for coming off the bench and not participating in a fight, you are going to shoot 10 free throws?

deecee Sun Dec 20, 2015 04:00pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 973451)
So if you eject 5 players for coming off the bench and not participating in a fight, you are going to shoot 10 free throws?
No the total max is 2 FT's but if I have to cover every what if in every scenario so you can understand what the rules say then I would suggest you get into the rule book a bit more.

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2015 04:45pm
Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 973451)
So if you eject 5 players for coming off the bench and not participating in a fight, you are going to shoot 10 free throws?
Quote:
Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973533)
No the total max is 2 FT's
10-8-B-1: Bench personnel leaving the team bench during a fight or when a fight
may break out: Do NOT participate in the fight – nonparticipants are assessed
flagrant fouls and disqualified. The head coach is assessed a
maximum of one indirect technical foul (regardless of the number
leaving the bench). If the number leaving the bench for each team
is corresponding, no free throws are awarded, and the ball is put
in play at the point of interruption. If the number leaving the bench
for each team is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are
awarded the offended team, followed by a division line throw-in
opposite the table.

Dad Sun Dec 20, 2015 05:51pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 973535)
10-8-B-1: Bench personnel leaving the team bench during a fight or when a fight
may break out: Do NOT participate in the fight – nonparticipants are assessed
flagrant fouls and disqualified. The head coach is assessed a
maximum of one indirect technical foul (regardless of the number
leaving the bench). If the number leaving the bench for each team
is corresponding, no free throws are awarded, and the ball is put
in play at the point of interruption. If the number leaving the bench
for each team is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are
awarded the offended team, followed by a division line throw-in
opposite the table.
Isn't this only for fighting situations?

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2015 07:00pm
Red Is The New Gray ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 973535)
10-8-B-1: Bench personnel leaving the team bench during a fight or when a fight
may break out: Do NOT participate in the fight – nonparticipants are assessed
flagrant fouls and disqualified. The head coach is assessed a
maximum of one indirect technical foul (regardless of the number
leaving the bench). If the number leaving the bench for each team
is corresponding, no free throws are awarded, and the ball is put
in play at the point of interruption. If the number leaving the bench
for each team is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are
awarded the offended team, followed by a division line throw-in
opposite the table.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973540)
Isn't this only for fighting situations?
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