Wrong Starter in Book
 

1st time had this happen to me.

About 10 seconds after tip team B has ball to inbound on endline. Scorer's table blows horn and calls me over to let me know team A had a wrong starter in the book. I explain situation to both coaches and charge team A with an indirect (admin) T. Team B shoots two throws and we continue play at POI. Wrong numbered starter stays in game and I also let coach A keep his box since it was an admin T.

Handled correctly?? Any input.

No. This has to be addressed before the ball becomes live. Coach can put in the correct starter and avoid the T or take the T and change the starter. Once live no T.

Then in HS T's are NOT POI. Ball goes to the offended team opposite table.

SEE Sit 3.2.2

Was it the wrong starter marked in the book, or a player with an incorrect number that got changed?

Makes a difference as to whether or not a T should be assessed.

Found my answer in previous threads.

Thanks for the help.

Wrong starter should almost never be a T, especially at lower levels (not sure what level yours was) because once its been thrown up, its too late to penalize. The scorer has to be pretty quick on their feet to note that all 10 players on the court after the huddles break but before the ball is tipped are the same 10 marked in the book. While less likely, its actually easier in varsity games, as most of the time starters are announced, and the scorer could find out then.

See Also 3.2.2e. If the scorer does recognize it before the ball becomes live we are to notify coach and give him opportunity to put the right player on the floor.

Oh, that's right, forgot about that provision. Even less of a chance of a T!!

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

3.2.2 SITUATION F: Team A designates No. 32 as a starter by the 10-minute
time frame prior to the game. In (a), as the teams take the floor for the opening
jump ball, the scorer recognizes that No. 34 is on court instead of No. 32 for Team
A and notifies the officials. In (b), following about two minutes of play in the first
quarter, a time-out is called. The scorer notifies the officials that although Team
A No. 32 was a designated starter, No. 34 started instead and is still in the game.
RULING: In (a), if Team A’s coach replaces No. 34 for the correct designated
starter, No. 32, no penalty is assessed. If Team A’s coach elects to start the game
with No. 34 instead of No. 32, a technical foul is assessed to Team A for changing
a designated starter. In (b), no penalty is assessed. The infraction had to be
discovered and penalized before the ball became live to start the game. Once the
ball became live, it was too late to penalize for this specific infraction. (3-2-2a;
10-1-2a Penalty)

We need to get you updated books. This is sit. E in the 15/16 books.

I Have Always Depended On The Kindness Of Strangers (Blanche DuBois) ...
 

The PDF casebook on my hard drive is from 2011-12. Any idea on how to get a newer version?

Join the NFHS for $35. Full access to all NFHS publications via the Arbiter hub.

For the first time in almost 30 years I had a scorer hit the horn as we were about to start the 4th quarter and inform me that one of the players on the floor to start the 4th quarter was not on the court at the end of the 3rd quarter. Just before he brought that to my attention, the coach of that team had told me he had a girl who was bleeding and he put someone else in the game for her. Which was the reason for the difference in players on the court. I was amazed that he even paid any attention to it.

I don't even know why that rule exists. I've never seen an AC come over to the table between quarters to see who the opponent would be sending on to the court.

No place in book
 

And how many officials (on court or at table) would remember who subbed in for who...which normally doesn't matter except at end of close game offense/defense substitutions. (Player that is subbed for and leaves game must sit a tick before returning.)

They Won't Take My Money ...
 

I can't join. Connecticut is on list of states where individuals can't join the NFHS. Connecticut is all IAABO. We get our NFHS rulebook, and NFHS casebook, from IAABO, not from the NFHS. I used to join the NFHS as a "fake" volleyball official but now that Arbiter and the NFHS have joined forces, the NFHS knows that I'm not a volleyball official.

One of my favorite stories: Back in my coaching days (about 10 years ago) we were at a tournament in another county (differ chapter of officials than my local one). Our opponents brought in five young quick players late in the first quarter and slapped a press on. When the quarter ended, I asked my assistant to watch to see if they brought the starters back or left the press team in. Nobody checked in. They break the huddle with their five starters on the court. I get the timer to hit the horn and the scorer to tell the officials that none of them checked in. The officials discuss. The ruling?






Five technical fouls! And for some reason, we were awarded one free throw for each. So we started the quarter with five FTs.

I don't think they'll stop anyone from paying the $35 at NFHS.org.

Nothing For Something ...
 

Correct. I did pay for two years after the partnership between the NFHS and Arbiter. Arbiter knew that I wasn't a NFHS basketball official (no Connecticut basketball officials are members of the NFHS, we're all IAABO) and I did not have access to all the Arbiter/NFHS resources.

A royal butchering by the crew.

Maybe, maybe not. International rules can be funky.

FIBA has some goofy rules.

Different COUNTY...not country

Good get. My bad. :(

Please enlighten us with your ruling.

Well, regardless of the ruling, it's hard to imagine one worse than 5 technical fouls enforced by 5 total FTs.

First off if I give 5 T's there will be 10 FT's shot in a HS game.

Secondly I would instruct the coach to put in the previous 5 that ended the quarter and we would play on. I would not assess any T's.

So if you eject 5 players for coming off the bench and not participating in a fight, you are going to shoot 10 free throws?

No the total max is 2 FT's but if I have to cover every what if in every scenario so you can understand what the rules say then I would suggest you get into the rule book a bit more.

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

10-8-B-1: Bench personnel leaving the team bench during a fight or when a fight
may break out: Do NOT participate in the fight – nonparticipants are assessed
flagrant fouls and disqualified. The head coach is assessed a
maximum of one indirect technical foul (regardless of the number
leaving the bench). If the number leaving the bench for each team
is corresponding, no free throws are awarded, and the ball is put
in play at the point of interruption. If the number leaving the bench
for each team is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are
awarded the offended team, followed by a division line throw-in
opposite the table.

Isn't this only for fighting situations?

Red Is The New Gray ...
 

I'm on fire. Thought it was in response to the original play.