Fan Ejected

[packersowner]

It seems like every year, I have at least one fan who thinks their $4 allows them to sit in the front row and yell at the officials.

My favorite is when we go to a private christian school playing another private christian school and get yelled at for 4 quarters. Its all respectful when the anthem and prayer are being said, but throw that ball up in the air and the devil takes over.

In most of the gyms I work, the game administrator has always been helpful. I usually ask them to work with the fan so they can stick around to watch the game. I try to give the benefit of the doubt. A few years ago we had a guy sitting first row at half court, about 45 years old with his hat on backwards. He had something to say after every call. The administrator went over and said, "you can keep your comments quiet and stay, pay me an extra $100 so I can get another official, or leave the gym." The guy left at half time and watch the game from the windows outside.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

... if there is no game administrator at any more of these games.

If there is no one else then the Home Head Coach is the site game admin.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Pro bono?

If you're getting paid, it's not a favor.

As to your question, I don't work games in facilities that don't have some sort of game mgmt or site admin whom I can turn to handle situations.

Depending on how much he's getting paid....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

#1: Sorry.

#2: It's inferred from the Twitter dialogue that an eyewitness said "the official stopped the game....and pointed." Or something like that.

But I don't want to get wrapped around the axle about this particular case because there are a lot of gaps in the details. I was using it as a segue to the broader topic of "what's the best way to handle a situation like this?" Good discussion so far, although I respectfully disagree with deecee's very direct approach. I'm just saying I would at least start by trying to use a middleman (i.e. game manager).

#2: I'm ok with this. I'll just say to see what bob wrote. I'd normally recommend quietly approaching GM, but sometimes we need to have things move more quickly than that would allow.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Adam

Depending on how much he's getting paid....

$90. ABC 6 min quarters. C game is pretty brutal. Actually A & B are pretty brutal too. It's fun though, I don't mind doing it as long as everything is organized well. The girl working the table was one of the best I've ever had which was really unexpected.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by deecee

Balderdash. I ejected a fan in the first row couple nights ago (second in 14 years). I went to the site admin, pointed at the fan, and said he's done for the night. 5 seconds later there were 3 site personnel by the fan escorting him out.

+1

I ejected my first fans in years during a Holiday tournament thanksgiving week (6th grade tournament). An Army buddy of mine puts on this every year. I go as a favor to him because most if you not all of the referees are younger official’s (1st -2nd year). It’s an opportunity for mentoring the next group coming up. Championship game and this guy is being as complete a$$. More importantly it finely came to a point where it was effecting the play on the court. Tweet...I go over to my buddy and ask him to remove the parent. Some of the other parents from both sides were already beginning to self-police, but it had to be addressed. Closely followed by a T on that coach whose behavior was also out of line. I have much less tolerance for these kinds of antics at the lower levels. Conduct by fans, and more importantly the coach(es) can directly affect the physical nature of play. Maintaining good order and discipline is part of your job. Even if it happens on very rare occasions.

[Dad]

Buncha wimps,

The rules give us a definitive option to remove fans ourselves. I have gone to ADs or whatever form of management was around when I saw it to be the best fit. I've done it myself when I've seen it to be the best fit. There are obvious advantages to doing it yourself if you understand social constructs and have good judgement. Going to management every time is fine when you haven't been around for a while, but there's better ways to deal with game management.

[Nevadaref]

Don't forget to assess a team technical foul to the side affiliated with the fan.

In a case such as Ford, it is clear which team he is with.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't forget to assess a team technical foul to the side affiliated with the fan.

In a case such as Ford, it is clear which team he is with.

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

[j51969]

Personally, I think officials worry to much about how something looks. If it has risen to this point with any fan, player, or coach deal with it and move on. It was already a disruption, so quickly pause and have GM deal with it. I take none of this personally. I don't officiate for the players, coaches, or fans. I do it because I enjoy it. When that's not the case anymore I will quit.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dad

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

Just consider whether you believe that teams should be held accountable for the behavior of their spectators and then ponder what impact that would have on the behavior.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Dad

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

He’s joking. This has been discussed many times over the years. Even if it’s warranted a “T” in this case fixed nothing, and most likely will only make it worse.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

Personally, I think officials worry to much about how something looks. If it has risen to this point with any fan, player, or coach deal with it and move on. It was already a disruption, so quickly pause and have GM deal with it. I take none of this personally. I don't officiate for the players, coaches, or fans. I do it because I enjoy it. When that's not the case anymore I will quit.

Then stop officiating.

Without the Officials Code of Ethics or Missions Statement what is the point of being patched?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

He’s joking. This has been discussed many times over the years. Even if it’s warranted a “T” in this case fixed nothing, and most likely will only make it worse.

I'm aware and I still wanted his take on the subject. He gave it and I'm happy with it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by j51969

He’s joking. This has been discussed many times over the years. Even if it’s warranted a “T” in this case fixed nothing, and most likely will only make it worse.

On the contrary, the fan behavior is poor because people are not held accountable for their actions.
If the behavior is bad enough to warrant removal, ask yourself why the affiliated school/team shouldn't be penalized?
Sadly, the same people who moan about poor sportsmanship are the same ones unwilling to do something to address the problem.