You're Driving Me Crazy

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I replied: "the signal you are showing is for a basket interference;

He was wrong.

So were you.

(Local instructions to the contrary.)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He was wrong.

So were you.

(Local instructions to the contrary.)

Bob is correct.

BI mechanic is finger pointing down and then swirled over the other hand making an "O" symbol.

Shot clock reset is finger pointing up and then swirled. NY state resets to 15 below 15 and when I was in California (4 years ago) it was full reset at all times.

On a FT violation where the ball doesn't make contact the rim I usually point to the rim. I may swirl the finger, I don't know, but who cares. If my partner brings THIS up to me I would literally laugh in his/her face. Some mechanics may not be by the book but are used to convey information to the coaches and players.

The more egregious offenses are OVER THE BACK calls and signals. That's 100% wrong by rule and everything.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob is correct.

BI mechanic is finger pointing down and then swirled over the other hand making an "O" symbol.

Shot clock reset is finger pointing up and then swirled. NY state resets to 15 below 15 and when I was in California (4 years ago) it was full reset at all times.

On a FT violation where the ball doesn't make contact the rim I usually point to the rim. I may swirl the finger, I don't know, but who cares. If my partner brings THIS up to me I would literally laugh in his/her face. Some mechanics may not be by the book but are used to convey information to the coaches and players.

The more egregious offenses are OVER THE BACK calls and signals. That's 100% wrong by rule and everything.

Originally Posted by Rich View Post
The "swirl" isn't a signal for ANYTHING.

Find it here: https://www.nfhs.org/media/1015648/b...gnal-chart.pdf

according to this chart there is no signal for basket interference or goaltendind...so how can he be wrong?

[deecee]

This is the signal



It may not be in the HS approved signal chart but we have BI in the rule book so let's just adopt what the signal is so we have one. I don't know why they haven't added it but I remember seeing it, and now I have to go get my book from the car, in this years iaabo rule book we get. I may be wrong, probably am.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Originally Posted by Rich View Post
The "swirl" isn't a signal for ANYTHING.

Find it here: https://www.nfhs.org/media/1015648/b...gnal-chart.pdf

according to this chart there is no signal for basket interference or goaltendind...so how can he be wrong?

I was wishing him luck in finding it.

I see the "toilet bowl swirl" signal's been posted, too. That's one of my favs, right up with the one-handed creeping death I saw used in my daughter's 5th grade game last week.

[Valley Man]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Originally Posted by Rich View Post
The "swirl" isn't a signal for ANYTHING.

The swirl was the technique that George was trying to use from Jerry in the Seinfeld Episode wasn't it?

[j51969]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob is correct.

BI mechanic is finger pointing down and then swirled over the other hand making an "O" symbol.

Shot clock reset is finger pointing up and then swirled. NY state resets to 15 below 15 and when I was in California (4 years ago) it was full reset at all times.

On a FT violation where the ball doesn't make contact the rim I usually point to the rim. I may swirl the finger, I don't know, but who cares. If my partner brings THIS up to me I would literally laugh in his/her face. Some mechanics may not be by the book but are used to convey information to the coaches and players.

The more egregious offenses are OVER THE BACK calls and signals. That's 100% wrong by rule and everything.

+1

It also sounds like you were working 2-man. Either your state does that for varsity or you were working a sub-varsity contests. If you are getting a partner that is competent and is working hard on the court what else can you ask for? Not for nothin' but it makes you sound like an a$$.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by j51969

+1

It also sounds like you were working 2-man. Either your state does that for varsity or you were working a sub-varsity contests. If you are getting a partner that is competent and is working hard on the court what else can you ask for? Not for nothin' but it makes you sound like an a$$.

*But who cares if they are laughed at in their face or not? That is irrelevant--the issue is signals--not how we might be touchy feely about being corrected.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*But who cares if they are laughed at in their face or not? That is irrelevant--the issue is signals--not how we might be touchy feely about being corrected.

Fair enough. It just seems like picking a nit IMO. If he's stuggling in general I would focus on mechcanics that upset the flow and balance of the game. Like....proper location of out of bounds, effectively communitcating shooting or out of bounds, identifying the shooter, primary and secondary areas of coverage, and so on...

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob is correct.

BI mechanic is finger pointing down and then swirled over the other hand making an "O" symbol.

Shot clock reset is finger pointing up and then swirled. NY state resets to 15 below 15 and when I was in California (4 years ago) it was full reset at all times.

On a FT violation where the ball doesn't make contact the rim I usually point to the rim. I may swirl the finger, I don't know, but who cares. If my partner brings THIS up to me I would literally laugh in his/her face. Some mechanics may not be by the book but are used to convey information to the coaches and players.

The more egregious offenses are OVER THE BACK calls and signals. That's 100% wrong by rule and everything.

*But can you please explain why you are doing "finger swirls" to begin with if you know this is incorrect signaling? And, furthermore, what "information is being conveyed" if no one knows what it means. Although, I gather from the gestalt that this "finger swirl" action has become so ingrained in officiating signaling that it has acquired an "attributed meaning" as opposed to a "certified meaning".

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*But can you please explain why you are doing "finger swirls" to begin with if you know this is incorrect signaling? And, furthermore, what "information is being conveyed" if no one knows what it means. Although, I gather from the gestalt that this "finger swirl" action has become so ingrained in officiating signaling that it has acquired an "attributed meaning" as opposed to a "certified meaning".

It's more like a point to the rim to signal what/where the violation was, and I can't remember if I swirl or not. I'm leaning towards sometimes. I think it adds emphasis that I really, really, really saw the violation.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by deecee

The more egregious offenses are OVER THE BACK calls and signals. That's 100% wrong by rule and everything.

You must be wrong. I saw that lurking-bear signal just this week in a JV game. (And it confirmed some of what I was thinking about the level of officials we had drawn that day . . . )

[j51969]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

You must be wrong. I saw that lurking-bear signal just this week in a JV game. (And it confirmed some of what I was thinking about the level of officials we had drawn that day . . . )

What is this?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by j51969

What is this?

kinda like this

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by deecee

kinda like this

That's an NCAA-M mechanic for walking under / undercutting the shooter with the body while keeping the hands up.

The finger twirl is the ncaa mechanic for resetting the shot clock.