Is This a CE?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The Play:
Team A shoots the ball, and it looks like Team B may have been guilty of goaltending, but no call is made. Team B gets the rebound and heads to the other end of the court and misses a quick shot attempt, which is rebounded by Team A. Team A goes to their end and misses another quick shot attempt, and Team B gets the rebound and slowly starts towards their basket.

At this time I notice that a player for Team B is down, so I blow my whistle and stop play. While the player is being tended to by the trainer, my partners are talking to each other. Shortly after their talk one of them tells the scorekeeper to score the initial shot by Team A due to goaltending.

A minute or so later there's a timeout, so I'm able to talk to my partner that told the scorekeeper to give Team A those points for goaltending. He tells me that it was a correctable error, citing the "erroneously counting or cancelling a basket". I tell him I don't think that was right, but we'd look into it.

The Aftermath:
After the game I grabbed the case book and he grabbed the rule book.

According to 2.10.1 in the case book, basket interference is a correctable error. Since that and goaltending are violations, I tell my partner that I guess he was right.

While he reads aloud the five correctable errors I focus on the words "counting or canceling a score". The official in this case neither "counted" nor "canceled" a score... he just didn't make the violation/goaltending call. Which makes me believe retroactively calling the goaltending was incorrect.

Thoughts?

I truly hope that this wasn't a varsity game.
I would suspend this crew for two weeks.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I truly hope that this wasn't a varsity game.
I would suspend this crew for two weeks.

Hopefully our assignor doesn't feel the same way.

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[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I truly hope that this wasn't a varsity game.
I would suspend this crew for two weeks.

You probably don't see a lot of goaltending in Freshman girls . . . my guess would be varsity lol

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

You probably don't see a lot of goaltending in Freshman girls . . . my guess would be varsity lol

You guys are on a roll today, just what I needed this morning.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by nevadaref

i truly hope that this wasn't a varsity game.
i would suspend this crew for two weeks.

roflmao

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I truly hope that this wasn't a varsity game.
I would suspend this crew for two weeks.

Typical and not surprising response coming from you. Whack any parents lately?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Typical and not surprising response coming from you. Whack any parents lately?

I don't know that I'd suspend them, but this is a pretty basic rule they messed up.

[Kansas Ref]

I suspect that in that event, Bryanv21 was prolly thinking to himself "...this doesn't seem right to do". But he may have been less inclined to voice his disagreement because his partners were perhaps more senior than him--though not necessarily more knowledgeable--and sort of bulled their way towards a rationalization. Did you ask whoever the T or C was, why they did not make the initial GT violation call?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I suspect that in that event, Bryanv21 was prolly thinking to himself "...this doesn't seem right to do". But he may have been less inclined to voice his disagreement because his partners were perhaps more senior than him--though not necessarily more knowledgeable--and sort of bulled their way towards a rationalization. Did you ask whoever the T or C was, why they did not make the initial GT violation call?

He made it sound like he just swallowed his whistle before.

By the time I learned about what happened (after my partner had already changed the call) it was too late to even try and change his mind.

I am the "kid" on the crew, but I would have spoke up against it being a CE if they had asked me before changing the call.

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