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just another ref Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:28pm

Incorrect Test Answers
 
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 972132)
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false


False.

For another $50 (sent to me RefPay account; see https://forum.officiating.com/basket...t-schools.html, :p) I will tell you the correct procedure.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Wed Dec 09, 2015 06:47am

Pants On Fire ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 972132)
A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called ...true or false.

This is not a true/false question. True means that the situation really happened. False means that the test writer lied abut the situation.

How about ending the question with "Is the official correct? Yes or No?"

I say no, the officials were not correct. Correct would be a delayed violation on B3.

Raymond Wed Dec 09, 2015 08:53am

I know what a good crew would do.

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ODog Wed Dec 09, 2015 08:57am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 972167)
I know what a good crew would do.

Haha, so do I. And they wouldn't write a laughable question like this either. ;)

BlueDevilRef Wed Dec 09, 2015 09:45am

If she moves after I bounce the ball to shooter, fist extended out, shooting it again if it is missed.

So for those of you who say you know what a good crew would do, please elaborate


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Rich Wed Dec 09, 2015 09:48am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 972167)
I know what a good crew would do.

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Blow the whistle, get the ball back, and reset everything?

Raymond Wed Dec 09, 2015 09:49am

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 972177)
If she moves after I bounce the ball to shooter, fist extended out, shooting it again if it is missed.

So for those of you who say you know what a good crew would do, please elaborate


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You've changed the question.

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Raymond Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972180)
Blow the whistle, get the ball back, and reset everything?

For the situation described in the OP, yes.

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BlueDevilRef Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:03am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 972181)
You've changed the question.

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I see that you are correct. In the instance of the OP, I would blow it dead and reset it bc my action caused the "violation". I don't know if it is correct or not, but I always pause a bit before administering to make sure nobody is set up wrong or moving.


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Rich Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:03am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 972184)
For the situation described in the OP, yes.

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It's a no brainer to me. Player is moving and I didn't notice. My bad. Let's go.

Rob1968 Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:19am

The question should be whether a violation has occurred.

The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: 6-1-2c, 4-4-7b, 9-1-3d, f, g.

Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

Therefore, blow the whistle, verify that everyone is ready, and restart the free throw.

Raymond Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:36am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 972204)
The question should be whether a violation has occurred.

The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: 6-1-2c, 4-4-7b, 9-1-3d, f, g.

Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

Therefore, blow the whistle, verify that everyone is ready, and restart the free throw.

Good point, I should have made that point when bluedevil brought up the other scenario.

BillyMac Wed Dec 09, 2015 05:23pm

Delayed Violation ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 972204)
The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: ... Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 972132)
By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space.

How is this not a live ball before the violation? A1 catches the ball and then B3 moves into an unoccupied lane space. Delayed violation.

frezer11 Wed Dec 09, 2015 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 972132)
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 972263)
How is this not a live ball before the violation? A1 catches the ball and then B3 moves into an unoccupied lane space. Delayed violation.

Based on the OP, I would say that the ball being caught by A1, and B3 entering happen simultaneously, not in series. I think that gives us the wiggle room to be able to say, "Hold up, my bad" and reload. If the shooter clearly has it, and THEN B3 enters, delayed violation.


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