Rules

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by CLAY
WE ALL KNOW THE RULES ARE LISTED IN THE "BOOK", BUT SOMETIMES THEY ARE HARD TO FIND AND THE DEFINITONS ARE CONFUSSING. YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BE A ENGLISH MAJOR TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE WORDING. LET'S HELP THE GUY OUT. WHEN THE BASKETBALL SEASONS BEGINS WE COME HERE FOR HELP AND EVERYONE SEEMS POST THE RULES WHEN CERTIAN SITUATIONS ARISE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

If you don't know the difference, there's no point in trying to explain it to you. Just post the answers for him, you're so fired up about it.

BTW, DROP THE DAMN CAPS! We can hear fine.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by CLAY
WE ALL KNOW THE RULES ARE LISTED IN THE "BOOK", BUT SOMETIMES THEY ARE HARD TO FIND AND THE DEFINITONS ARE CONFUSSING. LET'S HELP THE GUY OUT.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

The difference is that he is being tested. That test will give whoever administered it to him an idea of exactly how much knowledge of the rules that he actually has. It will also tell the person being tested where he needs to do work.It will teach him how to use the books properly,and how to learn from them.We will help the guy out by showing him how to learn from his mistakes.

Just giving someone the answers to exams won't help them at all,and it won't teach them anything either.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Dan_ref


Then why in the hell don't you post the answers for him?

Well if it was such a problem and it is going to hurt him so much, why not say anything and read another post. Hey, there is a wonderful idea.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by CLAY
And, we wonder why we can't get new officials. If the guy wanted some smart As* answer he could have asked a coach. I thought this was a place you could come for help, not a place you come to and toot your own horn. Some day we will all be as knowledgeable as Mark Padgett,less the ego.

You are exactly right. This is a discussion board. That is why folks come here is to get questions answered. Instead they get a sermon from the faithful, what officiating is all about and what should be done about it. I guess if you do not live in those areas that give the test the way they take it or consider the test a big deal, then you are wrong for that. And if you noticed, the usual suspects always want to tell the "lesser" guys what to do and think.

Btw, the CAPS showed your emotion. Nice touch.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
There has been a long-standing difference of opinion on this board about this sort of question for several years. There are two basic opinions. Tony and Mark, among others, feel that it's not particularly helpful to simply supply the answers to the tests. If you don't know the answer, then you ought to dig a little ...

Others, including at least one poster in this thread, think that tests are just about useless so it does no harm to supply the answers....

Chuck, there is a third position which I would take, and NevadaRef has already taken, which is to let the questioner look up the answers for himself, but give him a boost in the correct direction by giving references. I think this answers both concerns and is the most helpful in every direction: He'll be able to do better on the test, because he will have LEARNED something, which will also be useful later.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Well if it was such a problem and it is going to hurt him so much, why not say anything and read another post. Hey, there is a wonderful idea.

Peace

I'm left wondering why you never follow your own advice.
I'm left wondering how you can conclude where I stand on the matter.
I'm left wondering why you never answer a direct question.

Oh well...I've seen your act before, guess I'll check out now :shrug:

[JRutledge]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Others, including at least one poster in this thread, think that tests are just about useless so it does no harm to supply the answers. They feel (I think) that the result that you achieve on a test has almost nothing to do with how you perform on the court. So you might as well just give the answers, b/c getting them right isn't going to make you a good official if you really stink; and getting them wrong isn't going to make you a bad official if you can actually call a decent game. I think that's a vaild position, too, although I happen to disagree with it.

Well considering that many states use the NF Part 1 Exam as an open book exam, you are not giving the entire picture. Yes, getting the answer or not getting the answer is not going to determine your ability as an official, but being a good official also comes with experience and "seeing plays" to understand the rules better. A person coming here that has never officiate at all (which this poster seems to be) is not going to understand the inner workings of the rulebook and casebook. It is all going to be Chinese, until they get on the court and see what the rules and questions actually means. Because in my state and in all the associations I am a member of, they go over the test and give out the answers. And it does spark up some interesting debates and these discussions help throw out test questions every year, because the question was written so poorly or is confusing, the IHSA just considers it correct. Getting the answers are not going to help officials to stay in shape to run after kids more than half their age, is not going to get you more games to "see plays," or go to camps or attend association meetings that might discuss how to handle an irrate coach.

Because if officiating is just about taking test, then why are you here in the first place?

If the only time he picks up the rulebook is to get the answers for the test, then he is not going to be much use to anyone. Now that is my opinion.

Peace

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rainmaker
let the questioner look up the answers for himself, but give him a boost in the correct direction by giving references.

I'm all for that, Juules. Give Nevada an "attaboy"!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I'm left wondering why you never follow your own advice.

I've decided that the above is actually great advice and I'm going to follow it, even if the original poster can't bring him/herself to do so. I have resolved simply to ignore the totality of what some posters "contribute" to the forum. For those concerned, I will neither read nor respond to their posts; neither will I address or refer to them by name. I just can't be bothered anymore.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I've decided that the above is actually great advice and I'm going to follow it, even if the original poster can't bring him/herself to do so. I have resolved simply to ignore the totality of what some posters "contribute" to the forum. For those concerned, I will neither read nor respond to their posts; neither will I address or refer to them by name. I just can't be bothered anymore.

So what you are saying, Chuck, is that from now on you will completely ignore the Yankee rants of both Dan and JR, correct?? I am all for that!!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rockyroad
So what you are saying, Chuck, is that from now on you will completely ignore the Yankee rants of both Dan and JR, correct?? I am all for that!!

Nah, I already do that! But I can't ignore everything that they post. About 2% is actually worth reading!!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Dan_ref


I'm left wondering why you never follow your own advice.
I'm left wondering how you can conclude where I stand on the matter.
I'm left wondering why you never answer a direct question.

Oh well...I've seen your act before, guess I'll check out now :shrug:

Unless you are my wife, my parent or an evaluator, I do not think I owe you any explaination. If you are too consumed with your own feelings to realize why I did not do things to your satisfaction, then so be it.

Answer the questions or read and move on. We do not need the lecture about what answering or not answering is going to mean. And if you give your sermon, then be prepared to get an opposing opinion. Sounds logical to me. Maybe you will learn that one day. It is like a talk show host getting on TV and giving an opinion, and not expecting the mail or email to oppose that position.

Have a great life.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rockyroad
[/B]

So what you are saying, Chuck, is that from now on you will completely ignore the Yankee rants of both Dan and JR, correct?? I am all for that!! [/B][/QUOTE]Do you really want us to get into the little "hands-around-their-own-necks" phase that the Mariners are currently going through instead,do ya? Slappy and I don't play favorites,ya know!