Observation: Impediments to Moving Up

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

Not everyone looks at a play or situation the same. But all things being all things; the answer IMO is NO more often than it should be.

I think these are the things one needs to ask at the HS level. Is it fitness that keeps people from being in the correct position or is it a lack of training or ability?

I've gone to games this year where the officials look like they've fallen out of an officiating catalog and could go run a marathon. And I've said to people I'm with -- I can't wait to see this guy work -- he *looks* like an official! And within 30 seconds, I go "Oh, boy" as I watch the person ball-watch, back-pedal, and drop anchor once he gets to his "spot" in the front court. And as the T, that's sometimes in the backcourt.

But even I'm guilty (for a couple of minutes) of judging a book by its cover. But that doesn't last long for me.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think these are the things one needs to ask at the HS level. Is it fitness that keeps people from being in the correct position or is it a lack of training or ability?

I've gone to games this year where the officials look like they've fallen out of an officiating catalog and could go run a marathon. And I've said to people I'm with -- I can't wait to see this guy work -- he *looks* like an official! And within 30 seconds, I go "Oh, boy" as I watch the person ball-watch, back-pedal, and drop anchor once he gets to his "spot" in the front court. And as the T, that's sometimes in the backcourt.

But even I'm guilty (for a couple of minutes) of judging a book by its cover. But that doesn't last long for me.

I agree with all of that. Which is why in my original statement I said "At some point what separates one official from the next is very minor". I'm not referring to a guy who looks great on paper, and $hit on the court. I have worked with many who talk a great game, and are immediately exposed once the ball is tossed.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

I agree with all of that. Which is why in my original statement I said "At some point what separates one official from the next is very minor". I'm not referring to a guy who looks great on paper, and $hit on the court. I have worked with many who talk a great game, and are immediately exposed once the ball is tossed.

How do you get exposed immediately once the ball is tossed? Minus a bad toss I'm sure most have done once in their career.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

How do you get exposed immediately once the ball is tossed? Minus a bad toss I'm sure most have done once in their career.

I can tell if someone can referee a couple of times up the court. Then from there you will prove my feeling by your actions after that. Officials that a properly engaged in the game it is obvious from the start. Things like looking off ball, moving appropriately when the ball is moving (while not always watching the ball), observing the competitive match-ups in their primary.

Usually there is a process to just get a call right. You might get a call right and I might not believe you knew why you got it right and just guessed right.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I can tell if someone can referee a couple of times up the court. Then from there you will prove my feeling by your actions after that. Officials that a properly engaged in the game it is obvious from the start. Things like looking off ball, moving appropriately when the ball is moving (while not always watching the ball), observing the competitive match-ups in their primary.

Usually there is a process to just get a call right. You might get a call right and I might not believe you knew why you got it right and just guessed right.

Peace

Exactly right. Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut.

For me, I look at movement in the L position. If a person drops anchor there, I know he's not engaged. This is true as well for T/C, but for me it's easier to pick up with a lead.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Dad

How do you get exposed immediately once the ball is tossed? Minus a bad toss I'm sure most have done once in their career.

You have to be joking? I can't believe you took my statement that literal?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

You have to be joking? I can't believe you took my statement that literal?

Partially. Maybe you had some insight I didn't.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by j51969

I agree with all of that. Which is why in my original statement I said "At some point what separates one official from the next is very minor". I'm not referring to a guy who looks great on paper, and $hit on the court. I have worked with many who talk a great game, and are immediately exposed once the ball is tossed.

If you ever watch officials with an NBA ref, they'll say the same, as will most college supervisors. They can tell within the first few trips up and down the court whether that official may have something special. The impression left after those first few up-and-downs plus a few whistles will determine whether or not they want to pay more attention to an official.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Just received a reminder from our association of the Officals' Performance Standards, which are used for postseason assignments. Regarding appearance:

10. Appearance, Fitness, Conditioning
• The required NFHS attire/uniform is being worn and all officials are wearing the same style of shirt.

• The uniform fits well and is clean and pressed.

• Shoes are primarily black and polished.

• No visible jewelry is being worn (other than a wedding band/medic alert).

• Weight is appropriate for his/her height.

• Projects strength and an athletic appearance.

• Demonstrates the physical ability to move into proper position on the court.

• Moves at the appropriate pace for any given situation.

• Mentally and physically keeps up with play during the entire contest.



Here's the full document if you're interested.
https://ighsau.arbitersports.com/Gro...0Standards.pdf

[JRutledge]

Another thing that is not discussed often, but really advancing is also doing all those things and proving you can handle the bigger stages. If you cannot handle a big rivalry game or a game that has high profile coaches and players, people are not going to just give you a State Final. You have to at least in Illinois probably work for a lot of different people and prove yourself in tournaments, big conference games before that becomes the norm in your schedule. It took me a long time go get the so-called better games until I worked with a lot of different people and showed I could handle those situations. Yes getting calls right matter, but you also have to prove yourself to coaches when they yell at you and everything is not solved with a T. You have to be able to communicate or know when to stop communicating with coaches. It is often the things you do that have nothing to do with calls that can help and certainly hurt you. We have many official that can get a block/charge call right but when questioned about it, have no idea how to talk to a coach and have not earned the respect of the coach to say anything.

This is the same reason you see the same guys on TV all the time, because the coaches trust them and do not get calls about those official's calls often. But if they put a new guy in that spot, they might just start complaining about those calls more often. Since the IHSA was referenced, that is the process that people want to see you prove here. You might have a good schedule for one assignor, but do you have a good schedule with all the other assignors? Are you working the big games in other conferences? Are you working the better tournaments in the area? Or are you working the start up tournaments (for the officials) as your Christmas schedule? And most of all, why is an assignor going to use you over a guy that the coaches trust and do not have complaints about? Are you a good partner? Does an official that has been very experienced have to babysit you during a game?

It is so many things I hardly have time to cover them all, but it is not always about a call. Even if you are big, you might have to do some other things to prove that will not be a constant problem.

Peace

[Rich]

Interestingly enough, I see coaches at their best behavior at state finals. They're on TV and they know that every move they make is going to be seen and scrutinized. It's harder many times to work those coaches in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

When we worked our state game 2 years ago, neither coach said a word to us the entire game...and it was a 1-2 possession game the entire way through.

[rockyroad]

Quite often the biggest impediments to moving up have nothing to do with basketball or physique. A good friend - and an amazing official - lives in a small town in Alaska. Nearest airport is about a 3 hour drive away, and then flying to any major college towns is another 5 plus hours. He's not going to get many D-1 contracts regardless of how good he is...another good friend has a job that requires him to be on call (transporting federal prisoners) and available on short notice - again, going to impact whether D-1 commissioners want to hire him.

[mtn335]

Originally Posted by Rich

Interestingly enough, I see coaches at their best behavior at state finals. They're on TV and they know that every move they make is going to be seen and scrutinized. It's harder many times to work those coaches in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

When we worked our state game 2 years ago, neither coach said a word to us the entire game...and it was a 1-2 possession game the entire way through.

In Washington, some atrocious coach behavior (I heard two coaches confronted each other at the division line, though it was third-hand) drove an extreme emphasis on coach behavior and coaches' box enforcement this year.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Another thing that is not discussed often, but really advancing is also doing all those things and proving you can handle the bigger stages. If you cannot handle a big rivalry game or a game that has high profile coaches and players, people are not going to just give you a State Final. You have to at least in Illinois probably work for a lot of different people and prove yourself in tournaments, big conference games before that becomes the norm in your schedule. It took me a long time go get the so-called better games until I worked with a lot of different people and showed I could handle those situations. Yes getting calls right matter, but you also have to prove yourself to coaches when they yell at you and everything is not solved with a T. You have to be able to communicate or know when to stop communicating with coaches. It is often the things you do that have nothing to do with calls that can help and certainly hurt you. We have many official that can get a block/charge call right but when questioned about it, have no idea how to talk to a coach and have not earned the respect of the coach to say anything.

This is the same reason you see the same guys on TV all the time, because the coaches trust them and do not get calls about those official's calls often. But if they put a new guy in that spot, they might just start complaining about those calls more often. Since the IHSA was referenced, that is the process that people want to see you prove here. You might have a good schedule for one assignor, but do you have a good schedule with all the other assignors? Are you working the big games in other conferences? Are you working the better tournaments in the area? Or are you working the start up tournaments (for the officials) as your Christmas schedule? And most of all, why is an assignor going to use you over a guy that the coaches trust and do not have complaints about? Are you a good partner? Does an official that has been very experienced have to babysit you during a game?

It is so many things I hardly have time to cover them all, but it is not always about a call. Even if you are big, you might have to do some other things to prove that will not be a constant problem.

Peace

Great points here. Everyone has the ability to call a great game as you move up the rankings. I've seen some great JV/V officials who just start folding under the pressure when you blow your whistle and then wonder if any sound came out.