First Fighting Ejection

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Geof

In full agreement here

There is a difference between arguing what a rule should be and not knowing what the actual rule says. Again, all you have to do is look at your arguments. You did not realize that the rule for instigation was about an unsporting act like taunting or getting in a player's face (baiting). Just doing something that is a normal basketball play or even contact is not apart of this rule. You did not realize that and that is why you are getting called out for not understanding the rule.

Peace

[Geof]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a difference between arguing what a rule should be and not knowing what the actual rule says. Again, all you have to do is look at your arguments. You did not realize that the rule for instigation was about an unsporting act like taunting or getting in a player's face (baiting). Just doing something that is a normal basketball play or even contact is not apart of this rule. You did not realize that and that is why you are getting called out for not understanding the rule.

Peace

I disagree with you. I understand the rule completely. And my argument this entire time has been as to whether the rule was fair or not to someone who does something unsporting that provokes a punch. I've never once said anything that went against the rule.

It sounds like most are ok with the way the rule is written, and I can understand that viewpoint. Its makes things black and white and easy to deal with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Geof

I disagree with you. I understand the rule completely. And my argument this entire time has been as to whether the rule was fair or not to someone who does something unsporting that provokes a punch. I've never once said anything that went against the rule.

What are you disagreeing with me about? I never said anything about this but what the rule states. I am not talking about fairness or even care about fairness. The rule is clear. I just stated that the what the rule is and how it is to be adjudicated. You are the one struggling with the rule and its application.

Originally Posted by Geof

It sounds like most are ok with the way the rule is written, and I can understand that viewpoint. Its makes things black and white and easy to deal with.

I did not say anything about agreeing with the rule. I actually do not agree or disagree with the rule at all. The rule written very clearly. But it is not easy to deal with if you do not even understand when an instigator of a fight has taken place.

Peace

[Geof]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say anything about agreeing with the rule. I actually do not agree or disagree with the rule at all. The rule written very clearly. But it is not easy to deal with if you do not even understand when an instigator of a fight has taken place.

I agree you never voiced your agreement/disagreement with the rule. I said "most people," i.e. the people who have replied to this thread.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You wish they could keep a player in the game after his unsporting act leads directly to a fight.

No, I said I wasn't a huge fan of the way the rule itself is written. In certain situations, it doesn't seem like it would be a fair punishment.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't feel sorry for players who are knuckleheads. Almost every fight in basketball is the result of one player committing an unsporting, flagrant, or intentional act directed towards another player. Players taunt opponents in order to induce a negative reaction. If that negative reaction is violent shove, a punch, or a kick, then too bad for the player who taunted, his butt is gone also.

Sure, I can see why you think its fair.

[mutantducky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZjJU-mtFU

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Could you two please take your squabble to PM or somewhere else...please?

If anyone else would like to weigh in about how they prepare for a fight as a crew, I'd like to get the thread back on track.

I pregame to do as much as we can to eliminate conditions that could lead to a fight. #1 on that list is dead ball officiating, #2 is no tolerance for knuckleheads.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I pregame to do as much as we can to eliminate conditions that could lead to a fight. #1 on that list is dead ball officiating, #2 is no tolerance for knuckleheads.

Usually just calling fouls and staying on top of silly action during dead balls solves most problems.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Usually just calling fouls and staying on top of silly action during dead balls solves most problems.

Agree. Too bad it's most problems, not all problems, but I'll settle for most. What more can official can do?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Geof

I disagree with you. I understand the rule completely. And my argument this entire time has been as to whether the rule was fair or not to someone who does something unsporting that provokes a punch. I've never once said anything that went against the rule.

It sounds like most are ok with the way the rule is written, and I can understand that viewpoint. Its makes things black and white and easy to deal with.

This is how I read your point, for what it's worth.

Moderator note to all involved: No more personal insults.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by Adam

This is how I read your point, for what it's worth.

Moderator note to all involved: No more personal insults.

Thank you. And my apologies.