Throw-ins

[Dave9819]

Hello,

When determining when the throw-in ends, rule 42 section 5 states that the throw-in ends when
the passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds
the passed ball touches or is touched by a player out of bounds (except after a made basket)
the throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.

My question is this - if Team A has the ball for a throw-in, passes the ball in, and a player on Team B commits a kicking violation, does this fall under the "the passed ball touches a player in-bounds", which would cause the throw-in to end? Or, since Team B committed a violation, does that mean the throw-in never ended? Looking at this from the point of view of having an AP throw-in.

Thanks!

[Camron Rust]

Note the word "legally" in front of touched with regards to the throwin ending in the first part. Also note that touching and being touched by imply something regarding a kick...is a kick a positive act or a passive act?

[deecee]

Would a throw in end if either team commits a foul?

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Dave9819

My question is this - if Team A has the ball for a throw-in, passes the ball in, and a player on Team B commits a kicking violation, does this fall under the "the passed ball touches a player in-bounds", which would cause the throw-in to end? Or, since Team B committed a violation, does that mean the throw-in never ended? Looking at this from the point of view of having an AP throw-in.

Thanks!

Throw in never ended because of the violation by Team B. Team A would have the ball for a throw in at the OOB spot nearest the kicking violation. The AP arrow would not change because of the violation by Team B and Team a would retain the arrow.

Look at it logically. If that wasn't the case, Team B would not be penalized for their kicking violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Throw in never ended because of the violation by Team B. Team A would have the ball for a throw in at the OOB spot nearest the kicking violation. The AP arrow would not change because of the violation by Team B and Team a would retain the arrow.

Look at it logically. If that wasn't the case, Team B would not be penalized for their kicking violation.

And yet, if B were to catch the ball while OOB, it would still be a violation on B and A would get the ball but A would lose the arrow. The difference being legally touching the ball in an illegal location vs. illegally touching the ball in a legal location.

Also, we need to remember that this is test season....a lot of the questions lately are likely straight from the test. Once I realized that, I've altered my reply to be more directional than giving conclusive answers. The posters will be a lot better off understanding the rules than being given the answer so they can pass the test.

[Dave9819]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And yet, if B were to catch the ball while OOB, it would still be a violation on B and A would get the ball but A would lose the arrow. The difference being legally touching the ball in an illegal location vs. illegally touching the ball in a legal location.

Also, we need to remember that this is test season....a lot of the questions lately are likely straight from the test. Once I realized that, I've altered my reply to be more directional than giving conclusive answers. The posters will be a lot better off understanding the rules than being given the answer so they can pass the test.

My question was not the result of taking the test - came from me reading through the rule book and reading too much/over thinking the rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Would a throw in end if either team commits a foul?

Since that's not listed as one of the reasons a throw-in ends, ....

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Since that's not listed as one of the reasons a throw-in ends, ....

Which begs the question why doesn't it end? I understand for an AP throw in but I am talking about non AP throw in.

[HokiePaul]

There is a case book play that is pretty much the exact scenario -- Case Book Situation 4.42.5

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Which begs the question why doesn't it end? I understand for an AP throw in but I am talking about non AP throw in.

It "ends" in English, but it doesn't "end" for rules purposes. And, they can't just add it because of the AP issue

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It "ends" in English, but it doesn't "end" for rules purposes. And, they can't just add it because of the AP issue

That makes sense.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dave9819

My question was not the result of taking the test - came from me reading through the rule book and reading too much/over thinking the rule.

Fair enough. This time of year, we typically see a lot of "questions" that look a lot like test questions. That doesn't mean they all are, but some of us have been around long enough to see the patterns.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

There is a case book play that is pretty much the exact scenario -- Case Book Situation 4.42.5

4.42.5 SITUATION: Team A is awarded an alternating-possession throw-in.
A1’s throw-in pass is illegally kicked by B2. RULING: As a result of B2’s kicking
violation, Team A is awarded a new throw-in at the designated spot nearest to
where the kicking violation (illegal touching) occurred. Since the alternating-possession
throw-in had not been contacted legally, the throw-in has not ended and
therefore, the arrow remains with Team A for the next alternating-possession
throw-in. COMMENT: The kicking violation ends the alternating-possession
throw-in and as a result, a non-alternating-possession throw-in is administered.
When the ball is legally touched on the subsequent throw-in following the kicking
violation, the arrow shall not be changed and shall remain with Team A.