Disconcertlon

[rbruno]

A better question is "Does disconsertion have to be intentional". Players in marked lane spaces routinely lose their balance and stumble around without crossing the lines and violating. Should this still be considered disconsertion if it messes up the shooter while they are in their shooting motion?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rbruno

A better question is "Does disconsertion have to be intentional". Players in marked lane spaces routinely lose their balance and stumble around without crossing the lines and violating. Should this still be considered disconsertion if it messes up the shooter while they are in their shooting motion?

Yes, it's still disconcertion. Nothing is stated regarding intent in the written rule.

9-1-3-C: No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower.

[grunewar]

"I GOT SHOOTER! I GOT SHOOTER!"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by grunewar

"I GOT SHOOTER! I GOT SHOOTER!"

99% of the time this is well before the shooter begins the try (and 84.6 % of the time it's before s/he even has the ball). It's nothing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

...84.6 % of the time it's before s/he even has the ball.

84.6 %? Reference please.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

84.6 %? Reference please.

Significant digits can help you in physics class. Not so much in the forum....

We've been talking a lot about disconcertion here and it has been a good discussion. That said, I think it's important to point out that we shouldn't go looking for it. Deference is the better part of valor. I've called it once in seven years; an opponent behind the arc decided to overtly clap just as the free-thrower was about to release. Obvious. No one argued. Disconcertion is a call that should pop out at you.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by grunewar

"I GOT SHOOTER! I GOT SHOOTER!"

If you are playing HS basketball and this affects your ability to shoot a free throw, you should really think about taking up another sport.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

"I GOT SHOOTER! I GOT SHOOTER!"

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you are playing HS basketball and this affects your ability to shoot a free throw, you should really think about taking up another sport.

In my high school game, if an opponent is screaming this from a marked lane space, or from behind the arc, or, possibly, even from the bench, while the free throw shooter is in the act of shooting, and if I feel that this is a distraction to the free throw shooter, I will call the delayed violation every time. If the free throw misses, we're shooting again.

9.1.3 SITUATION D: ... The free thrower is entitled to protection from being distracted. It is the opponent’s responsibility to avoid disconcerting the free thrower.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, if an opponent is screaming this from a marked lane space, or from behind the arc, or, possibly, even from the bench, while the free throw shooter is in the act of shooting, and if I feel that this is a distraction to the free throw shooter, I will call the delayed violation every time. If the free throw misses, we're shooting again.

9.1.3 SITUATION D: ... The free thrower is entitled to protection from being distracted. It is the opponent’s responsibility to avoid disconcerting the free thrower.

And in the real world, how often does that happen?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, if an opponent is screaming this from a marked lane space, or from behind the arc, or, possibly, even from the bench, while the free throw shooter is in the act of shooting, and if I feel that this is a distraction to the free throw shooter, I will call the delayed violation every time. If the free throw misses, we're shooting again.

9.1.3 SITUATION D: ... The free thrower is entitled to protection from being distracted. It is the opponent’s responsibility to avoid disconcerting the free thrower.

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

And in the real world, how often does that happen?

The "screaming" part, never. But the top 2 guys raising their arms to distract the shooter, or repeatedly asking "who's got shooter" as he begins his shooting motion, quite often.

I address it the first time it happens, then don't have to worry about it anymore.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, if an opponent is screaming this from a marked lane space, or from behind the arc, or, possibly, even from the bench, while the free throw shooter is in the act of shooting, and if I feel that this is a distraction to the free throw shooter, I will call the delayed violation every time. If the free throw misses, we're shooting again.

9.1.3 SITUATION D: ... The free thrower is entitled to protection from being distracted. It is the opponent’s responsibility to avoid disconcerting the free thrower.

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

And in the real world, how often does that happen?

For me once, in a boys high school recreation league game. Screams came from the bench: "Miss".

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you are playing HS basketball and this affects your ability to shoot a free throw, you should really think about taking up another sport.

That's why, whenever a defender appears to disconcert a free thrower I NEVER CALL IT.
Instead, I kill the play and ask the free thrower if he was disconcerted. If he says "No", I go to the AP arrow. If he says "Yes", I ask the coach for a sub and counsel the player to go straight to the locker room and quit.
Happens maybe three or four times a year.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by rbruno

A better question is ...

...since the rule says, "No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower", can a player not on the floor commit a disconcertion violation?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

...since the rule says, "No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower", can a player not on the floor commit a disconcertion violation?

From the bench? Absolutely. An opponent not on the floor can commit a disconcertion violation. The rule states, "opponent", not, "player".

9.1.3 SITUATION D: ... The free thrower is entitled to protection from being distracted. It is the opponent’s responsibility to avoid disconcerting
the free thrower.

In thirty-five years, I've never called this in an interscholastic game, but I have called it once, in a recreation game, and I was confident that my call had the full support of the NFHS rule, as written.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Freddy

...since the rule says, "No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower", can a player not on the floor commit a disconcertion violation?

If they aren't on the floor, they aren't a player, they are a team member or substitute. I assume you are talking about a team member of the opposing team sitting on the bench.