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Old Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:47pm
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This sounds like marketing fluff. I don't care how "nice" your mechanics are if you can't officiate. Whether or not this stuff matters is up to my assignor. I can usually figure out what my partner is calling and doing even if he doesn't follow the mechanics by the book. Get the call right is the most important part of officiating.
Mechanics have to do with floor coverage, positioning, rotations, and switching.

So I'm trying to figure out how that doesn't affect the competency of an official.
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Old Mon Sep 14, 2015, 03:05am
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This sounds like marketing fluff. I don't care how "nice" your mechanics are if you can't officiate. Whether or not this stuff matters is up to my assignor. I can usually figure out what my partner is calling and doing even if he doesn't follow the mechanics by the book. Get the call right is the most important part of officiating.
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Mechanics have to do with floor coverage, positioning, rotations, and switching.

So I'm trying to figure out how that doesn't affect the competency of an official.
I have to side with BNR on this. While deecee is "getting the call right" in an area of coverage in which he shouldn't be looking, I have to wonder what he is missing and getting wrong in the area that he should be watching!

The other problem with the "get it right" thinking is what happens when the primary official clearly sees a play and decides that it is legal, thus electing to not blow his whistle, but a secondary official comes in with a whistle? Answer: The whistled decision always overrides the non-whistled decision. Is that "right"? Not in my opinion and this is backed by NBA and NCAA studies which claim that 70% of whistles outside of one's PCA are incorrect.
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Old Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:57am
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I have to side with BNR on this. While deecee is "getting the call right" in an area of coverage in which he shouldn't be looking, I have to wonder what he is missing and getting wrong in the area that he should be watching!

The other problem with the "get it right" thinking is what happens when the primary official clearly sees a play and decides that it is legal, thus electing to not blow his whistle, but a secondary official comes in with a whistle? Answer: The whistled decision always overrides the non-whistled decision. Is that "right"? Not in my opinion and this is backed by NBA and NCAA studies which claim that 70% of whistles outside of one's PCA are incorrect.
Completely agree. My personal philosophy on calling outside my primary is did I see something that *should* be called AND does my partner have a good look (i.e. if I see my partner is looking straight through the matchup then he can live and die with not having a whistle). In cases of goaltending if I were the lead, I may only have a look if there is no real action in front of me. Even then by the time I have a look the contact with the ball would be obvious goaltending and not borderline.

I'd say per 10 games I may have only a small handful of calls outside my primary. The vast majority of times it's with an inexperienced official who gets the deer in headlights situation. Other than that I try and stick to calling the obvious, because reaching is almost always a bad idea.
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Old Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:03pm
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Completely agree. My personal philosophy....
BNR, APG and Lcubed48.....did you hear that? He's got a personal philosophy! Reminds me of a particular pet peeve...

Last edited by crosscountry55; Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:34pm. Reason: Original post may have been perceived as an attack on deecee. This was not my intention. My apologies.
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