Award of "home run"

[BretMan]

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

10.06 DETERMINING VALUE OF BASE HITS

The official scorer shall score a base hit as a one-base hit, two-base hit, three-base hit or home run when no error or putout results, as follows...

10.12 ERRORS...

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases...

Says right there that you can't be credited with a home run if it was the result of an error.

Maybe Canseco wasn't charged with an error becasue the official scorer didn't judge a on the run, back to the infield, over the head, at the fence, catch attempt to be "ordinary effort".

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BretMan

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

10.06 DETERMINING VALUE OF BASE HITS

The official scorer shall score a base hit as a one-base hit, two-base hit, three-base hit or home run when no error or putout results, as follows...

10.12 ERRORS...

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases...

Says right there that you can't be credited with a home run if it was the result of an error.

Maybe Canseco wasn't charged with an error becasue the official scorer didn't judge a on the run, back to the infield, over the head, at the fence, catch attempt to be "ordinary effort".

The rule I quoted overrides this. "The scorer SHALL . .credit a HR if a ball goes over the fence in flight."

Not "may"award a HR. Not "can" award a HR. "Shall" award a HR.

Comprende?

[BretMan]

"Conflicts with" maybe. But how do you figure "overrides"?

Both of the rules I posted say "SHALL" (credit a hit or charge an error). If inclusion of the magic word "shall" is the determining factor, what do you do if they all say "shall"?

I'll see your "shall" and raise you another "shall". Two shalls are greater than one!

I know what I would do. Or, wouldn't do, which is give a sh... I'm an umpire and how the official scorer rules it has no bearing on the playing rules I deal with.

[Rich Ives]

Because the scorer gets to decide if it's a hit or error - except where it says he shall credit a hit. There are automatic hits but no automatic errors.

[bwburke94]

And the Canseco play is automatically a hit. Nothing to discuss here.

[chapmaja]

In practical terms, it would be an error. In the league world of scoring, it is a home run, and the batter should be sending a thank you card to the fielder.

There was a similar situation a couple years ago in a state playoff high school softball game.

High fly ball to deep center. Fielder goes back and is standing at the fence. Ball comes down and hits her glove and goes over the fence. The umpire correctly gives the B-R a 4 base award. The coach nearly gets tossed arguing it should be a ground ruled double because it did not clear the fence in flight. She lost the argument, but to this day maintains the play should have been a G-R double.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

High fly ball to deep center. Fielder goes back and is standing at the fence. Ball comes down and hits her glove and goes over the fence. The umpire correctly gives the B-R a 4 base award. The coach nearly gets tossed arguing it should be a ground ruled double because it did not clear the fence in flight. She lost the argument, but to this day maintains the play should have been a G-R double.

What would the coach have been arguing for if the LF had come over & caught the ball before it hit the ground? smh