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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:16pm
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Interference?

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Runners on second and third, less than two outs. Batter bunts the ball down the first base line. The ball is rolling in foul territory, and just as the first baseman reaches down to touch it to make it a foul ball, the batter-runner runs by the first baseman and pushes him down to the ground. First baseman can no longer touch the ball as it continues to roll foul, and then the ball reaches and touches the inside corner of the first base bag after the batter-runner has overrun and touched the bag. Both runners score on the play.

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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 03:41pm
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Runners on second and third, less than two outs. Batter bunts the ball down the first base line. The ball is rolling in foul territory, and just as the first baseman reaches down to touch it to make it a foul ball, the batter-runner runs by the first baseman and pushes him down to the ground. First baseman can no longer touch the ball as it continues to roll foul, and then the ball reaches and touches the inside corner of the first base bag after the batter-runner has overrun and touched the bag. Both runners score on the play.

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OBR:

Interference and an out. Runners return.

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—
(j) He fails to avoid a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball,


7.09 PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.


Note that it refers to a batted ball with no distinction as to whether it is fair or foul. Ball was foul at the time of the interference. Ball is dead at the time of interference. Therefore the ball never went fair. Also bases cannot be run when the ball is dead except on an award (5.02 ). This has no award. Runners return.

Is this actually different somewhere?
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 03:52pm
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Digesting this in the 6 or so rulesets, I have OBR / NFHS baseball - out, as you stated.

NCAA - can't find yet... still looking.

Softball - ASA and NCAA - foul ball. NFHS ... still looking.

Honestly, the one that makes the most sense to me is calling this a foul ball. Consider this play but make one change - the ball is 2 feet foul and is never going to be fair... is an out an equitable result? Interference with a fielder fielding a FOUL ball should be an out?

Also ... take the same rule that made you rule an out in the OP. Apply it to this:

Bunted ball is 6 feet foul. Batter sees it foul and turns around and collides with F2 who is retrieving the still-rolling-clearly-foul ball. Do we have an out? If not ... what makes it different from the OP?
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:06pm
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Honestly, the one that makes the most sense to me is calling this a foul ball. Consider this play but make one change - the ball is 2 feet foul and is never going to be fair... is an out an equitable result? Interference with a fielder fielding a FOUL ball should be an out?
there's a specific "interp" that if the batter intentionally contacts a foul batted ball, the batter is not out if the ball has no chance to go fair, but is out if the ball has a chance to go fair.

Apply the same general logic.
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 05:56pm
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there's a specific "interp" that if the batter intentionally contacts a foul batted ball, the batter is not out if the ball has no chance to go fair, but is out if the ball has a chance to go fair.

Apply the same general logic.
Ahh, but there's a fundamental difference, Bob. In your play, the batter contacts the ball to prevent it from going fair and preventing the defense from making a play on him (or other runners) for an out.

In Mike's play, the BR prevented the fielder from rendering the ball foul. At that moment, there couldn't have been a play made to retire anybody. I don't think you can apply the same logic.
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 06:28pm
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Digesting this in the 6 or so rulesets, I have OBR / NFHS baseball - out, as you stated.

NCAA - can't find yet... still looking.

Softball - ASA and NCAA - foul ball. NFHS ... still looking.

Honestly, the one that makes the most sense to me is calling this a foul ball. Consider this play but make one change - the ball is 2 feet foul and is never going to be fair... is an out an equitable result? Interference with a fielder fielding a FOUL ball should be an out?

Also ... take the same rule that made you rule an out in the OP. Apply it to this:

Bunted ball is 6 feet foul. Batter sees it foul and turns around and collides with F2 who is retrieving the still-rolling-clearly-foul ball. Do we have an out? If not ... what makes it different from the OP?
What made this ball foul?
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 08:14pm
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Tell me more about the BR pushing the fielder to the ground part?

If we don't rule interference for BR interfering with a fielder reaching to pick up a batted ball in foul territory near the line that has a chance of going fair and it rolls into the bag, how can we rule foul ball?

If it has no chance of going fair then I would think foul ball, and of course the part about it rolling into the bag would not have occurred, but I would still like to hear more about the push to see if there is something more I need to take into consideration.
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Old Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:46am
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Tell me more about the BR pushing the fielder to the ground part?
Exactly, except for the discussion about whether or not the "push to the ground" is malicious, it is certainly in line with the NFHS interference definition. 2-1-21b. "when a runner creates malicious contact with any fielder, with or without the ball, in or out of the baseline;" or 8-4-2g "hinders a fielder on his attempt to field a batted ball."
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Old Fri Jul 25, 2014, 11:11pm
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Digesting this in the 6 or so rulesets, I have OBR / NFHS baseball - out, as you stated.

NCAA - can't find yet... still looking.

Softball - ASA and NCAA - foul ball. NFHS ... still looking.

Honestly, the one that makes the most sense to me is calling this a foul ball. Consider this play but make one change - the ball is 2 feet foul and is never going to be fair... is an out an equitable result? Interference with a fielder fielding a FOUL ball should be an out?

Also ... take the same rule that made you rule an out in the OP. Apply it to this:

Bunted ball is 6 feet foul. Batter sees it foul and turns around and collides with F2 who is retrieving the still-rolling-clearly-foul ball. Do we have an out? If not ... what makes it different from the OP?
NCAA 8-5-d

d. The runner interferes intentionally with a throw or thrown ball, or interferes
with a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball.

Rule 2 - Interference

A.R. 2—If the batter-runner has not touched first base at the time of interference, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.
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