Inadvertent "You're Out!"

[Robert E. Harrison]

I would call the runner safe allow the him to stay on first. Then I would make a mental note that I plate umpire needs additional training and explain to the defense that the batter-runner would have been out if they did what they were supposed to do in that scenario.

[MD Longhorn]

Perfect reason why PU should never say this. "STRIKE!" or "Strike Three!" is plenty.

As to fixing it, no matter what you do, you've put one team or the other at a disadvantage. If you put the runner on first, you disadvantaged the defense by calling the out (coach can legitimately assume that PU calling BR out was his indication that the ball did not hit the ground, and was caught for the out). If you don't put the runner on first, you've disadvantaged the offense by calling a player out before they were out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Perfect reason why PU should never say this. "STRIKE!" or "Strike Three!" is plenty.

As to fixing it, no matter what you do, you've put one team or the other at a disadvantage. If you put the runner on first, you disadvantaged the defense by calling the out (coach can legitimately assume that PU calling BR out was his indication that the ball did not hit the ground, and was caught for the out). If you don't put the runner on first, you've disadvantaged the offense by calling a player out before they were out.

And so, and John5396 indicated, you need to decide which was the most likely and rule that. And if it's close, take some guff from the other team.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If you put the runner on first, you disadvantaged the defense by calling the out (coach can legitimately assume that PU calling BR out was his indication that the ball did not hit the ground, and was caught for the out).

Every high school catcher worth his salt would tag the batter first before requesting the checked swing appeal, even if he caught the ball near the ground. He put himself at a disadvantage.

[EsqUmp]

You need to be realistic though. If the catcher has the ball when the umpire says "You're out" and then tosses it back and the batter-runner runs, let's not forget the disadvantage out put the defensive in. Sure, they could still throw the ball, but YOU said it wasn't required. So now you're going to guess that a batter-runner would be safe when the defense has the ball in the infield. Hmm

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You need to be realistic though. If the catcher has the ball when the umpire says "You're out" and then tosses it back and the batter-runner runs, let's not forget the disadvantage out put the defensive in. Sure, they could still throw the ball, but YOU said it wasn't required. So now you're going to guess that a batter-runner would be safe when the defense has the ball in the infield. Hmm

I agree. PU called her out. Defense has no reason to continue playing. As to "fixing" - had PU properly made no out call, and BU ran, it's FAR more likely that F2 throws to 1st for the easy out. No way do I put this runner on base.