NFHS: On-Deck Circle

[w_sohl]

What is the penalty for warming up in the improper ODC and what is the rules reference that goes with it?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

What is the penalty for warming up in the improper ODC and what is the rules reference that goes with it?

Put them back. No other penalty.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Put them back. No other penalty.

Reason I ask is because a NFHS Part II test question.

An offender shall be ejected on the first offense when:

a. a player loosens up to bat in the opposing team's on-deck circle

b. a player leaves his bench area for the purpose of physical confrontation

c. a coach uses replay equipment for coaching purposes during the game

d. all of the above

B and C are no brainers aren't they? I didn't think A was but if B and C are then D has to be correct making A also correct.

[BEAREF]

C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.

No, it's not.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.

Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?

Team warning first and then ejection per FED. I usually just shoo them back to where they belong and give them an etiquette lesson in how that works.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Team warning first and then ejection per FED. I usually just shoo them back to where they belong and give them an etiquette lesson in how that works.

So this question needs to be thrown out because B and C fit, but A does not.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The correct answer is (b).

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?

For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.

Me too.

Question (maybe it's a hijack but it's the same rule): on the 1st fake tag without the ball offense - is obstruction called? I would think so.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.

I think there's a caseplay that ejects without warning.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I think there's a caseplay that ejects without warning.

There is. 3.3.1.JJ HC is ejected, no warning.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.

Read closer, there is no warning. The penalty reads exactly as follows:

PENALTY: At the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected, except for (f), where the coach shall be ejected. In (b), it is also obstruction (8-3-2).

Now, I can certainly see where you might think that a warning is given in (f), but as stated in this thread case play 3.3.1 JJ indicates it is an immediate ejection.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

There is. 3.3.1.JJ HC is ejected, no warning.

I see this was a change in last year's book.

In 2012, the case was HH, and there was a warning, and then an ejection.

In 2013, the case was still HH, but now it was just an EJ.

In 2014, the case is now JJ.