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w_sohl Fri Apr 18, 2014 09:21pm
NFHS: On-Deck Circle
 
What is the penalty for warming up in the improper ODC and what is the rules reference that goes with it?

bob jenkins Fri Apr 18, 2014 09:43pm
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 932196)
What is the penalty for warming up in the improper ODC and what is the rules reference that goes with it?
Put them back. No other penalty.

w_sohl Fri Apr 18, 2014 09:55pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 932197)
Put them back. No other penalty.
Reason I ask is because a NFHS Part II test question.

An offender shall be ejected on the first offense when:

a. a player loosens up to bat in the opposing team's on-deck circle

b. a player leaves his bench area for the purpose of physical confrontation

c. a coach uses replay equipment for coaching purposes during the game

d. all of the above

B and C are no brainers aren't they? I didn't think A was but if B and C are then D has to be correct making A also correct.

BEAREF Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:50pm
C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.

Matt Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 932202)
C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.
No, it's not.

w_sohl Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 932202)
C is legal. So your answer has to be something other than D.
Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?

umpjim Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 932205)
Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?
Team warning first and then ejection per FED. I usually just shoo them back to where they belong and give them an etiquette lesson in how that works.

w_sohl Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 932206)
Team warning first and then ejection per FED. I usually just shoo them back to where they belong and give them an etiquette lesson in how that works.
So this question needs to be thrown out because B and C fit, but A does not.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Apr 19, 2014 08:42am
The correct answer is (b).

MTD, Sr.

bob jenkins Sat Apr 19, 2014 08:49am
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 932205)
Rulebook clearly states that this is the exception and the coach will be ejected on first offense. But we're not ejecting for warming up in the wrong ODC are we?
For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.

dash_riprock Sat Apr 19, 2014 05:04pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 932219)
For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.
Me too.

Question (maybe it's a hijack but it's the same rule): on the 1st fake tag without the ball offense - is obstruction called? I would think so.

umpjim Sat Apr 19, 2014 05:14pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 932219)
For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.
I think there's a caseplay that ejects without warning.

dash_riprock Sat Apr 19, 2014 06:26pm
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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 932257)
I think there's a caseplay that ejects without warning.
There is. 3.3.1.JJ HC is ejected, no warning.

w_sohl Sat Apr 19, 2014 07:57pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 932219)
For (a)-(e) warn and eject the next offender.

for (f) warn and then eject the coach, no matter who is the next offender,

That's how I read it.
Read closer, there is no warning. The penalty reads exactly as follows:

PENALTY: At the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected, except for (f), where the coach shall be ejected. In (b), it is also obstruction (8-3-2).

Now, I can certainly see where you might think that a warning is given in (f), but as stated in this thread case play 3.3.1 JJ indicates it is an immediate ejection.

bob jenkins Sat Apr 19, 2014 08:18pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 932260)
There is. 3.3.1.JJ HC is ejected, no warning.
I see this was a change in last year's book.

In 2012, the case was HH, and there was a warning, and then an ejection.

In 2013, the case was still HH, but now it was just an EJ.

In 2014, the case is now JJ.


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