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[Matt]

Where was the out possible?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Matt

Where was the out possible?

The batter.

However, 8.4.2 Sit B in the current casebook has the exact same play and it has the runner on third being declared out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

The batter.

However, 8.4.2 Sit B in the current casebook has the exact same play and it has the runner on third being declared out.

This FED rule was changed a few years ago. It used to be that the batter was out. Now it's the runner who is out. Someone just forgto to change the answer key.

I think I have heard that this question has been acknowledged by FED (or some state(s) ) to be incorrect.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

This FED rule was changed a few years ago. It used to be that the batter was out. Now it's the runner who is out. Someone just forgto to change the answer key.

I think I have heard that this question has been acknowledged by FED (or some state(s) ) to be incorrect.

I don't remember, but does it matter how many outs are remaining?

I feel like I remember reading at some point that w/ two outs we get the batter, w/ < 2 out we get the runner.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I don't remember, but does it matter how many outs are remaining?

I feel like I remember reading at some point that w/ two outs we get the batter, w/ < 2 out we get the runner.

Not on this play.

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I feel like I remember reading at some point that w/ two outs we get the batter, w/ < 2 out we get the runner.

You're thinking of batters interference with a runner coming home.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

You're thinking of batters interference with a runner coming home.

Gotcha

[CT1]

R3 (the player who interfered) is out. Don't forget to add a strike to the count if there were less than 2 strikes already.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Matt

Where was the out possible?

Generally in baseball, when a batter hits a fly ball that's caught, it creates an out on the batter.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Generally in baseball, when a batter hits a fly ball that's caught, it creates an out on the batter.

Not in this case.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Not in this case.

Really? Before the INT, there was no out to be had on the batter if the ball had been caught? Why, praytell?

[rbmartin]

Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Rule 8-4-2g .....If , in the judgment of the umpire, the runner including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Rule 8-4-2g .....If , in the judgment of the umpire, the runner including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out...

To whom/what was this a response?

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

To whom/what was this a response?

I was pointing out that in the scenario described in the OP, depending on if additional runners were on base and their actions, the umpire could conceivably award 2 outs on the play described.
For instance if a runner was on 1st and was running on the pitch. If the umpire feels he would have been a dead duck on the appeal play, based on Rule 8-4-2g he could call him out as well. All I am saying is that just because the ball is immediately dead and the runner is out, there are other things to consider on this play.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Be careful with this, in the instance of a potential infield fly, we have to determine if the ball if fair/foul on an infield fly hit down the line. OBR