Running out of the baseline

[ToolinFool]

Do you think this runner is out of his baseline?
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[BSUmp16]

Hard to tell since you can't see where he was in relation to the plate at the time the tag was attempted. He MAY have been running well to the outside (dugout side) of the baseline in which case his direct line, (his "basepath") (plus 3 feet) to the plate would put him outside of the catchers reach/lunge. But from what I see I'd go with "yes" - out of the basepath

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Hard to tell since you can't see where he was in relation to the plate at the time the tag was attempted. He MAY have been running well to the outside (dugout side) of the basepath in which case his direct line (plus 3 feet) to the plate would put him outside of the catchers reach/lunge. But from what I see I'd go with "yes" - out of the baseline

How does his relation to the plate play into this?

If you freeze it when the catcher starts his tag attempt, the runner is already in the grass on the foul side of the line. I don't think there's any way he goes more than three feet to avoid the catcher's tag once it is attempted. I have nothing on this.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by zm1283

How does his relation to the plate play into this?

Because that's the definition of basepath.

As for my thoughts, pretty much the same as BS's.

[Rich Ives]

What zm1283 said.

Way too many people can't separate "the baseline" from "his baseline" and mess up the call.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

What zm1283 said.

Way too many people can't separate "the baseline" from "his baseline" and mess up the call.

That's why I used the term "basepath" to denote the direct path between the bases and "baseline" to denote the line established by the runner between himself and the base to which he is running. In this case the basePATH is a direct line between 3rd and home. As I said in my post, I can't tell exactly what the runner's baseLINE is. However, in this situation the end point of both the baseline and the basepath is home plate

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

That's why I used the term "basepath" to denote the direct path between the bases and "baseline" to denote the line established by the runner between himself and the base to which he is running. In this case the basePATH is a direct line between 3rd and home. As I said in my post, I can't tell exactly what the runner's baseLINE is. However, in this situation the end point of both the baseline and the basepath is home plate

Problem here is that the actual OBR rule uses the term "his base path" for the runner.

[Forest Ump]

His basepath is established when a play is attempted on him. The basepath is a direct line between the runners position and the base he is going to or coming from. Judging from this video, I have nothing. Runner is safe. The umpire should be more enthusiastic with his call.

[zm1283]

My point was that the plate isn't relevant until the tag is attempted. I might have misinterpreted BSUmp's original post.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Problem here is that the actual OBR rule uses the term "his base path" for the runner.

Ok - Then swap "basepath" for "baseline" and vice versa in my original post - better?

[johnnyg08]

At first glance which is what this umpire had...I'm saying not out of his base path. I can see the other side too though.

[JJ]

Out of the baseline. Catcher's standing on the foul line, and in the video the runner took a step further away from him - making it more than an arm's length. Of course, the plate umpire had a little different angle AND he could see the entire path of the baserunner AND he didn't call him out so...NOT out of the baseline. Or not.

JJ

[Matt]

Originally Posted by JJ

Out of the baseline. Catcher's standing on the foul line, and in the video the runner took a step further away from him - making it more than an arm's length. Of course, the plate umpire had a little different angle AND he could see the entire path of the baserunner AND he didn't call him out so...NOT out of the baseline. Or not.

JJ

Arm's length from what?

[Publius]

I don't know if he was, but based on that view, I think I would have called him out. In order to judge the three feet, once a tag is attempted I watch the second and third steps.

Usually the first "go-around" step (if the runner is going to the back side of the plate) is with the right leg, and covers three feet. That's what this runner did. The second step is a recovery step. If that step crosses the go-around step, I have a violation. That runner's did not, so nothing--yet.

The third step should take the runner back toward his original path. This runner's third step appeared from that angle to be farther from his original path than the go-around step. I'd say he's out of his baseline.

If I had that PU's view, I might not think so.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

That's why I used the term "basepath" to denote the direct path between the bases and "baseline" to denote the line established by the runner between himself and the base to which he is running. In this case the basePATH is a direct line between 3rd and home. As I said in my post, I can't tell exactly what the runner's baseLINE is. However, in this situation the end point of both the baseline and the basepath is home plate

If you're going to do that, I would suggest reversing your terms. Base LINE is defined - it's the path between bases. The rule we're discussing says base PATH - which (most often, at least) means the path the runner is on.