SS barely in the same zip code as 2B in Tigers-Red Sox game.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Was the play argued? Were there ejections? I'm sure the players, manager, staff all have a dog in the fight. They obviously expect that to be an out. I didn't see the game where this play occurred.

I'm not arguing that the "correct" call is safe....but if they don't come unglued about it, and trust me I'm sure they saw it the exact same way that we did, this is an example of where replay is bad in baseball

I agree. The play to me should be an out. I'm just saying there was clearly not a tag, so instant replay would have to overturn it, unfortunately. Unless they make a rule change.

[EsqUmp]

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

Indeed it is and while that's what Mattingly would do, I'm sure there are plenty of managers who will challenge to keep a base runner in scoring position and save an out.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Indeed it is and while that's what Mattingly would do, I'm sure there are plenty of managers who will challenge to keep a base runner in scoring position and save an out.

And once one manager starts challenging this type of call, the others will be forced to do so as not to play at a disadvantage.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

I'm rather surprised by that response, given that what started it all was a boot by Pedroia. If he had fielded it cleanly, I can see some justification for not wanting to challenge. But because Pedroia had to rush the throw which, IMO, led to Drew coming off early so that he could get a good throw lane to first, the call should have been challenged.

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

Originally Posted by Manny A

I'm rather surprised by that response, given that what started it all was a boot by Pedroia. If he had fielded it cleanly, I can see some justification for not wanting to challenge. But because Pedroia had to rush the throw which, IMO, led to Drew coming off early so that he could get a good throw lane to first, the call should have been challenged.

You guys are talking about two different plays.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You guys are talking about two different plays.

Sorry; that's what I get for staying on topic.

{Edited to add} But my point is still relevant. In the Cards/Dodgers play, there was no boot. The throw was on target, got there well before the runner, Molina was in position to make the play, and the runner crashed into him while he held the ball. So the out call is justifiable, even if technically a tag never happened. I can fully understand why Mattingly wouldn't challenge it.

Now, if Molina had bobbled the ball and then secured it just a split second before the collision, or if the throw was off-line and didn't afford Molina the opportunity to turn toward the runner, I would expect a challenge in that case, the same as I would have expected a challenge in the OP play.

But this is all academic for now. We have no idea how things will change once the challenge system is put into place. It's easy for Mattingly to say what he said since he had no opportunity to throw the red flag.