SS barely in the same zip code as 2B in Tigers-Red Sox game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rich:

I don't have a dog in the fight in this game (I am a Yankees, Indians, and Pirates fan.) My beautiful, intelligent, and wonderful wife is the Tigers fan. But I was not watching the game as a fan but as one who is an umpire and watching the game from that standpoint. If one watches the video posted by Scrounge and watch it from the 1:15 mark you will see that there was no out at 2B.

MTD, Sr.

This is a screenshot FROM THAT VIDEO!

See how close the SS is? Is he "not in the same zip code?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is a screenshot FROM THAT VIDEO!

See how close the SS is? Is he "not in the same zip code?"

I saw that when I watched the video, too. Then, I kept watching (maybe not from the exact link in this thread), and there's a shot from about first base where he is clearly off the bag when he gets the ball.

Very interesting how much different the different angles are as the lens compresses the distance.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is a screenshot FROM THAT VIDEO!

See how close the SS is? Is he "not in the same zip code?"

That angle makes it look a lot closer than it was, the side shot is better IMO:

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is a screenshot FROM THAT VIDEO!

See how close the SS is? Is he "not in the same zip code?"

Rich:

I never said the F6 was NOT in the same zip code as 2B but that he was BARELY in the same zip code as the bag when he caught the ball on the throw from F4. The fact is, that when he caught the ball from F4 and he was not in contact with 2B and never did touch 2B after catching the throw from F4 and instead threw the ball to F3 at 1B. See Bob Jenkins post that follows this one.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

I'm not saying he was on the bag. I'm just saying it wasn't like he was 4 feet off of it, either.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm not saying he was on the bag. I'm just saying it wasn't like he was 4 feet off of it, either.

True....I'd say more like 2 to 3 feet

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is a screenshot FROM THAT VIDEO!

See how close the SS is? Is he "not in the same zip code?"

You be the judge. (If the stupid image will display)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

You be the judge. (If the stupid image will display)

Oh, I always knew the runner was safe. I just don't think it's the end of the world that the call was missed.

I can't *wait* for replay so people realize that getting the call 100% right isn't necessarily the desired outcome every time.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich

Oh, I always knew the runner was safe. I just don't think it's the end of the world that the call was missed.

I can't *wait* for replay so people realize that getting the call 100% right isn't necessarily the desired outcome every time.

Rich:

???? We are supposed to get the call correct every time (at least try to get the call correct every time). And as I stated in my OP, MLB players are the best players in the world. Why should they be held to a lower expectation of performing the game that we would expect of a H.S. player? This call changed how the rest of the inning was played. Instead of runners on a 1B and 2B with zero outs, there was only a runner on 1B with one out.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rich:

???? We are supposed to get the call correct every time (at least try to get the call correct every time). And as I stated in my OP, MLB players are the best players in the world. Why should they be held to a lower expectation of performing the game that we would expect of a H.S. player? This call changed how the rest of the inning was played. Instead of runners on a 1B and 2B with zero outs, there was only a runner on 1B with one out.

MTD, Sr.

I'm really not talking about this play in particular. There was a collision in the plate in extra innings earlier in the postseason which was treated as a routine out on the field. Possible, however, that the catcher, in bracing for the collision, never actually tagged the runner. I'll sit back with a bowl of popcorn the first time a play like THAT is challenged and overturned.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm really not talking about this play in particular. There was a collision in the plate in extra innings earlier in the postseason which was treated as a routine out on the field. Possible, however, that the catcher, in bracing for the collision, never actually tagged the runner. I'll sit back with a bowl of popcorn the first time a play like THAT is challenged and overturned.

This is the play Rich is referring to:

Video: Must C Cannon: Beltran's amazing throw saves game | MLB.com



The best look starts at the 2:00 mark.

[cmckenna]

Check out this related article about this exact play and how replay might fix it :-) They also suggest implementing the FPSR in MLB

Y! SPORTS

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by APG

This is the play Rich is referring to:

Video: Must C Cannon: Beltran's amazing throw saves game | MLB.com



The best look starts at the 2:00 mark.

Safe!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rich:

???? We are supposed to get the call correct every time (at least try to get the call correct every time).

The call that's correct for the game isn't always the call that's technically correct by the rule. Or, at least it hasn't been.

When I saw this play live I thought the runner might have been called safe at 2B. This was a big play too. What is the expectation/ruling for distance from the bag in this situation?