SS barely in the same zip code as 2B in Tigers-Red Sox game.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by hbk314

That angle's as deceptive as the one Rich posted for the neighborhood play. If you watch the video, especially a second or two after that screenshot is taken, it's clear no tag occurred.

Actually it's clear that it is inconclusive.

[Rich Ives]

I watch quite a bit of MLB and I was really surprised to see the neighborhood calls. I'd bet I haven't seen more than one a year for quite a while now. TV replay and slo-mo (not official but nonetheless damning) has pretty much killed it. There's very much a focus on the correctness of calls. Times are a changin' - it's time to go along for the ride.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Actually it's clear that it is inconclusive.

No.

[johnnyg08]

Was the play argued? Were there ejections? I'm sure the players, manager, staff all have a dog in the fight. They obviously expect that to be an out. I didn't see the game where this play occurred.

I'm not arguing that the "correct" call is safe....but if they don't come unglued about it, and trust me I'm sure they saw it the exact same way that we did, this is an example of where replay is bad in baseball

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Was the play argued? Were there ejections? I'm sure the players, manager, staff all have a dog in the fight. They obviously expect that to be an out. I didn't see the game where this play occurred.

I'm not arguing that the "correct" call is safe....but if they don't come unglued about it, and trust me I'm sure they saw it the exact same way that we did, this is an example of where replay is bad in baseball

I agree. The play to me should be an out. I'm just saying there was clearly not a tag, so instant replay would have to overturn it, unfortunately. Unless they make a rule change.

[EsqUmp]

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

Indeed it is and while that's what Mattingly would do, I'm sure there are plenty of managers who will challenge to keep a base runner in scoring position and save an out.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Indeed it is and while that's what Mattingly would do, I'm sure there are plenty of managers who will challenge to keep a base runner in scoring position and save an out.

And once one manager starts challenging this type of call, the others will be forced to do so as not to play at a disadvantage.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

I'm rather surprised by that response, given that what started it all was a boot by Pedroia. If he had fielded it cleanly, I can see some justification for not wanting to challenge. But because Pedroia had to rush the throw which, IMO, led to Drew coming off early so that he could get a good throw lane to first, the call should have been challenged.

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

After the game, even Mattingly said that he was out and he would not use instant replay to change the call, even if it was available. That's the game.

Originally Posted by Manny A

I'm rather surprised by that response, given that what started it all was a boot by Pedroia. If he had fielded it cleanly, I can see some justification for not wanting to challenge. But because Pedroia had to rush the throw which, IMO, led to Drew coming off early so that he could get a good throw lane to first, the call should have been challenged.

You guys are talking about two different plays.