BOO costs Giants a run

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Video | MLB.com Multimedia Gotta love it - Right after Posey's 'double', McCarver: 'They had the right guy up there with the drawn in infield!' ooops!

And of course, Timmy kept screaming that POSEY was out - until they bring in their 'expert' Rosenthal.

But seriously, how - with all the compuers, coaches, Jumbotrons, etc - somebody still gives the ump the wrong lineup card

[grunewar]

Isn't it ironic that in the video, before all the fun began and after the hit, Timmy Mac specifically says, "They had the right guy up there." (obviously referring to the best hitter to get the job done in that situation for the Giants).

[JR12]

Iv'e had BOO several times, but always appealed too early or too late.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE

But seriously, how - with all the compuers, coaches, Jumbotrons, etc - somebody still gives the ump the wrong lineup card

It wasn't just the umpire. The Dodgers had the "wrong" lineup card in their dugout.

I wonder what was said, both before the game when the full lineup was presented to the fans, and before Posey came up as the improper batter, by the Public Announcer. I'm guessing the PA also had the "wrong" card.

So, everyone was "wrong" except for the Giants coaching staff.

[MD Longhorn]

ESPN Radio mentioned that if the BOO was not caught before the inning ended, the Giants would have had to bat with the wrong lineup the rest of the game.

Sigh.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

ESPN Radio mentioned that if the BOO was not caught before the inning ended, the Giants would have had to bat with the wrong lineup the rest of the game.

Sigh.

Well, the "E" in ESPN does stand for Entertainment. And they do put that ahead of Sports. So it's not surprising...

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It wasn't just the umpire. The Dodgers had the "wrong" lineup card in their dugout.

I wonder what was said, both before the game when the full lineup was presented to the fans, and before Posey came up as the improper batter, by the Public Announcer. I'm guessing the PA also had the "wrong" card.

So, everyone was "wrong" except for the Giants coaching staff.

The Giants had just installed a new electronic system which ensures that a display in the dugout, the display available to the media, and the main scoreboard all have exactly the same info.

The lineup handed to the umpires, to the Dodgers, and also posted in the dugout had one order, while all other displays, including a nice big one in the dugout, had the wrong order. I believe the transcription mistake was made by one of the bench coaches.

For the last month or so, Posey has batted third, and the correct lineup was unusual.

[EmeraldCity08]

To Manny A: The CORRECT lineup card is the one presented to the opposing team. BTW, this BOO is a measure of redemption for LAD manager Mattingly's "double line cross" vs the Giants.

[jicecone]

What was funny if you watch the video, it shows the next batter up as being #48 or the Dodgers......(not sure, but it wasn't Posey).

After checking the Box Score, Posey did bat next however if you watched the video closely it was confusing for a second.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCity08

To Manny A: The CORRECT lineup card is the one presented to the opposing team. BTW, this BOO is a measure of redemption for LAD manager Mattingly's "double line cross" vs the Giants.

Not sure what you're alluding to. By rule, the OFFICIAL lineup card is the one retained by the UIC at home plate. The one presented to the opposing team should be a copy that the UIC has verified is identical to the one he retains.

That's what the rule says. What is actually practiced at the plate conference, I don't have a clue since I don't pay that close attention from either the stands at the stadium or in front of my flat screen.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCity08

The CORRECT lineup card is the one presented to the opposing team.

Um ... no it's not.

[EmeraldCity08]

The UIC verifies that the lineup card presented to him, the UIC, is the same as the lineup card presented to the opposition. Thus the lineup card presented to the opposition is verified correct before the team representatives leave home plate. Bottom line, by definition, the Dodgers had the correct lineup card.
I don't understand why this is subject to debate. No one has argued that the umpires made an incorrect call. The umpires made the correct call of BOO, which, AGAIN, by definition, means the Giants did not comply with the correctly submitted lineup card. EC08

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCity08

The UIC verifies that the lineup card presented to him, the UIC, is the same as the lineup card presented to the opposition. Thus the lineup card presented to the opposition is verified correct before the team representatives leave home plate. Bottom line, by definition, the Dodgers had the correct lineup card.
I don't understand why this is subject to debate. No one has argued that the umpires made an incorrect call. The umpires made the correct call of BOO, which, AGAIN, by definition, means the Giants did not comply with the correctly submitted lineup card. EC08

You made it sound like the one given to the Dodgers is the official lineup. Since that one matches the OFFICIAL lineup, it is a correct lineup but not THE correct lineup.

Rita

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCity08

I don't understand why this is subject to debate. No one has argued that the umpires made an incorrect call.

Exactly. So who's debating what? Other than what you said--that the "CORRECT" line-up card is the one presented to the opposing team--there is no debate.

Assume the following: Team A's manager presents his line-up (original and copy) to the UIC at the plate. Somehow, the copy is not exactly the same as the original. And somehow, the UIC fails to verify that as he hands the copy over to the opposing team's manager.

By what you said, the copy that the opposing manager has, not the original the UIC keeps, is "CORRECT". By rule, that's not the case.

You just need to be careful with what you say here. Yes, 99 times out of 100, you would be right. But there's always that one chance that things get screwed up during the exchange.

[nopachunts]

The lineup card that I have in my book is the OFFCIAL/CORRECT/ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS lineup card. All of the others are UNOFFICIAL copies. Any time that I have a question about the lineup, I look at my lineup card, compare with what the book has written down, or lineup the questioning coach has.